[JuanP]

The Russians are building some pretty neat liquified natural gas locomotives, gas-electric locomotives were more popular in the past and natural gas may become more popular in the future for this use, too.
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/20 ... ocomotives
http://www.railway-technology.com/featu ... m-4517111/
http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/lo ... ussia.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_turbi ... locomotive

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JuanP', 'T')he Russians are building some pretty neat liquified natural gas locomotives, gas-electric locomotives were more popular in the past and natural gas may become more popular in the future for this use, too.
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/20 ... ocomotives
http://www.railway-technology.com/featu ... m-4517111/
http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/lo ... ussia.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_turbi ... locomotive

[dolanbaker]

The more I look into this the more I am convinced that We, (in the west) will not experience an "collapse" in the sense that Ruppert was forecasting. I say this because we have the technology and the power in the form of organised finance & labour to construct enough renewable energy collector sources to power a "post carbon" world. This post carbon world will be localised and lacking many of the things what define the current consumerised way of life, these changes have to happen to avoid a real energy crisis in the future.

I expect large scale tidal power schemes to be constructed along most coastlines of wealthy countries, the end of time limited consumer goods (Lighting has already achieved this aim) and personal travel in the form of personal vehicles will become limited. The reason for this reduced energy footprint is simply down to the fact that despite the wealth in the west, we could never afford to replace all the energy that is currently derived from fossil fuels.

I fear that it will be a completely different story for poorer countries, as they will not be able to afford to replace fossil fuels with large scale renewables and will not be able to afford fossil fuel when it eventually becomes very expensive. This will eventually happen when all the cheaper sources have been extracted.

[onlooker]

Ironic Dolan, that a poster on the News section feels the exact opposite. That wealthy countries because of their reliance of fossil fuels will not be equipped to handle the end of the Oil age. Also, that poorer countries who do not rely so much on FF will have some resilience despite the ending of the modern energy/power structure. I think it is more complicated. I feel over the longer term the environment carrying capacity will determine what regions can be fairly habitable over a long time based on a given smaller population size. For it is population size which I think dooms poorer countries who are catastrophically overpopulated especially Asia. So no matter what energy source or preparations or transition actions are taken those countries simply cannot continue to maintain their huge populations once worldwide civilization begins a steep descent phase, so a sizable die-off is in the cards for them. As for rich countries, we need to start now developing a robust transitory framework to deal with the post Oil age and we will probably descend to living standards comparable to third world ones currently.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'T')he more I look into this the more I am convinced that We, (in the west) will not experience an "collapse" in the sense that Ruppert was forecasting. I say this because we have the technology and the power in the form of organised finance & labour to construct enough renewable energy collector sources to power a "post carbon" world. This post carbon world will be localised and lacking many of the things what define the current consumerised way of life, these changes have to happen to avoid a real energy crisis in the future.

I expect large scale tidal power schemes to be constructed along most coastlines of wealthy countries, the end of time limited consumer goods (Lighting has already achieved this aim) and personal travel in the form of personal vehicles will become limited. The reason for this reduced energy footprint is simply down to the fact that despite the wealth in the west, we could never afford to replace all the energy that is currently derived from fossil fuels.

I fear that it will be a completely different story for poorer countries, as they will not be able to afford to replace fossil fuels with large scale renewables and will not be able to afford fossil fuel when it eventually becomes very expensive. This will eventually happen when all the cheaper sources have been extracted.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I')ronic Dolan, that a poster on the News section feels the exact opposite. That wealthy countries because of their reliance of fossil fuels will not be equipped to handle the end of the Oil age. Also, that poorer countries who do not rely so much on FF will have some resilience despite the ending of the modern energy/power structure. I think it is more complicated. I feel over the longer term the environment carrying capacity will determine what regions can be fairly habitable over a long time based on a given smaller population size. For it is population size which I think dooms poorer countries who are catastrophically overpopulated especially Asia. So no matter what energy source or preparations or transition actions are taken those countries simply cannot continue to maintain their huge populations once worldwide civilization begins a steep descent phase, so a sizable die-off is in the cards for them. As for rich countries, we need to start now developing a robust transitory framework to deal with the post Oil age and we will probably descend to living standards comparable to third world ones currently.

[Tanada]

It is currently free on my Amazon Prime so I re-watched it. Not too far off the mark but really a bit conspiratorial for my taste. Poor Mr. Rupert got so many death threats over his life it is no wonder he had trust issues. He might have sought help if he had felt he could trust anyone.

[SeaGypsy]

I'm thinking the sudden kollapseniks got missed one thing which kind of voids their entire position. Given that essentially the collapse was about perception & confidence in the Great Ponzi Scheme, which is of course fatally flawed, the mistake seems to have been the assumption that sooner than later, the scam would be revealed, leading inevitably to confidence & market collapse. In fact the scam has become utterly transparent to anyone paying attention, but the machinery of civilization still creates a surplus which has to go somewhere. This 'backbone' economy, the 'real' economy, is enough to induce willful ignorance of the ponzi economy. Anyone can figure out that the derivatives due over the next 30 years will not get paid. Nor will most insurances & retirement funds. However, most societies like most people, will not commit suicide, they will make every attempt to survive. It is apparent that allowing derivatives, insurances & retirement funds to carry on despite their certain failure, has become acceptable to central planners & the general public are gullible enough to keep buying in regardless, stimulating much more of the overall economy than they would if they preemptively collectivised & lived minimally. As this goes on I become somewhat relieved, somewhat disappointed- there isn't going to be the Ruppert collapse, but the Kunstler one, & it is going to take decades, maybe most of this century. I'm pretty sure this perception is why we lost most of our posters here since the heady days of the GFC- not much very dramatic stuff is going to happen any time soon, just a slow grind to a very different world for our kids & grandkids.

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'T')he more I look into this the more I am convinced that We, (in the west) will not experience an "collapse" in the sense that Ruppert was forecasting. I say this because we have the technology and the power in the form of organised finance & labour to construct enough renewable energy collector sources to power a "post carbon" world. This post carbon world will be localised and lacking many of the things what define the current consumerised way of life, these changes have to happen to avoid a real energy crisis in the future.

I expect large scale tidal power schemes to be constructed along most coastlines of wealthy countries, the end of time limited consumer goods (Lighting has already achieved this aim) and personal travel in the form of personal vehicles will become limited. The reason for this reduced energy footprint is simply down to the fact that despite the wealth in the west, we could never afford to replace all the energy that is currently derived from fossil fuels.

I fear that it will be a completely different story for poorer countries, as they will not be able to afford to replace fossil fuels with large scale renewables and will not be able to afford fossil fuel when it eventually becomes very expensive. This will eventually happen when all the cheaper sources have been extracted.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')'m thinking the sudden kollapseniks got missed one thing which kind of voids their entire position. Given that essentially the collapse was about perception & confidence in the Great Ponzi Scheme, which is of course fatally flawed, the mistake seems to have been the assumption that sooner than later, the scam would be revealed, leading inevitably to confidence & market collapse. In fact the scam has become utterly transparent to anyone paying attention, but the machinery of civilization still creates a surplus which has to go somewhere. This 'backbone' economy, the 'real' economy, is enough to induce willful ignorance of the ponzi economy. Anyone can figure out that the derivatives due over the next 30 years will not get paid. Nor will most insurances & retirement funds. However, most societies like most people, will not commit suicide, they will make every attempt to survive. It is apparent that allowing derivatives, insurances & retirement funds to carry on despite their certain failure, has become acceptable to central planners & the general public are gullible enough to keep buying in regardless, stimulating much more of the overall economy than they would if they preemptively collectivised & lived minimally. As this goes on I become somewhat relieved, somewhat disappointed- there isn't going to be the Ruppert collapse, but the Kunstler one, & it is going to take decades, maybe most of this century. I'm pretty sure this perception is why we lost most of our posters here since the heady days of the GFC- not much very dramatic stuff is going to happen any time soon, just a slow grind to a very different world for our kids & grandkids.

[dolanbaker]

It's very difficult to create hyperinflation when the printed money is destined for bottomless pits!

[onlooker]

Isn't the deflation in commodity prices what is keeping at bay to some degree hyperinflation ?

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I')sn't the deflation in commodity prices what is keeping at bay to some degree hyperinflation ?

[onlooker]

Like Shale and Tar?

[KaiserJeep]

The primary means of extending the remaining supplies of fossil fuels will be self-imposed efficiencies brought about by the cost of energy.

For example, the typical vehicle should be sized for the typical occupancy of 1-2 people and less than 100 lbs of cargo. The vehicle itself, whether electric or fuel-powered, need weigh no more than 500 lbs (plus a payload of occupants and cargo limited to another 500 lbs) and travel no faster than 35 mph. No more V-8's, V-6's or 4 cylinder engines - try 1-2, or better yet, a BEV.

Most electricity on the grid is wasted. Security lighting is an example of an unnecessary use of power. Perfectly fine electronic sensors exist which can detect mammals and birds by body heat alone - there is no need to make the planet glow into space from the nightside. Nor do empty rooms in your house need illumination - or the one you are sitting in for that matter. The house processor should track the position of all occupants and allow illumination via the nearest lamp, but only to voice command of an authorized occupant.

Space heating and air conditioning are other examples of wasted energy. It is much more economical to heat or cool the clothing a person is wearing rather than the space they live in. Properly designed structures also maintain fairly constant temperatures without periodic energy inputs. Simply require all structures to be built or retro-fitted to the Passive House standards before they can be sold. Non-compliant structures cannot be sold and must be recycled. Hello, tiny house - people can live quite comfortably in less than 200 square feet per person.

Our civilization can actually be run on approximately 1/4th the present level of energy. After the imposition of energy reduction standards that force the re-implementation of much of our existing infrastructure, vehicles, and residences, we could live comfortably on 1/20th to 1/10th the present amount of power.

All of a sudden, a 100% renewable power scenario becomes viable - which it is not today.

Ruppert, for all of his obsessions and intelligence, did not understand the things I just described. Such changes will not be easy, comfortable, or quick to happen. Certainly, we cannot trust establishment politicians, paid and working for the elites, to implement dramatic changes of any sort.

These types of revolutionary changes will come from non-mainstream politicians such as Teddy Roosevelt, Ross Perot, Donald Trump, or Bernie Sanders. So vote early and vote often in the next election, and let that sad prophet Michael Ruppert RIP.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')t is currently free on my Amazon Prime so I re-watched it. Not too far off the mark but really a bit conspiratorial for my taste. Poor Mr. Rupert got so many death threats over his life it is no wonder he had trust issues. He might have sought help if he had felt he could trust anyone.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')The main point is the fact that in an energy constrained world, consumerism simply can't happen. The localisation that I am referring to is really the movement of people rather than that of goods as energy will be expensive and its use limited to the needful rather than the desirable. The large scale tidal power schemes make perfect sense when the alternatives are nuclear which have an extremely expensive life-cycle or fossil fuels that have a time limited future. A tidal power scheme can function indefinitely!

Before you can export consumerism to a third world country, you have to export employment there from somewhere else. Just how much more can we hollow out the western countries manufacturing base before the sides fall in!

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'L')ike Shale and Tar?

[Shaved Monkey]

I wouldn't rule out fast crash everything is just held together with confidence and confidence can be shattered overnight.

[SeaGypsy]

That was my point, confidence has moved towards something different, i think we are beginning to see the beginnings of cannibalistic capitalism consolidation. The fast crash scenario is based on an old fashioned paradigm, confidence has done a zephyr & warped into a new form. Ignorance, amnesia, are rife, but there is something else, something novel going on & cannibalistic capitalism seems the most apt term.