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How will posterity view us?

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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 24 Mar 2016, 03:02:25

The hallmark of our times viewed in the future will be human overshoot when human population swelled into the billions and then was not able to sustain itself. This failure will eclipse all the achievements. For our descendants this failure will frame their own reality profoundly.
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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 24 Mar 2016, 07:18:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'H')ere is a ten minute speech given by my favorite Anarchist, co-originator of Permaculture, David Holgrem. In the video, he goes into the anarchy side of Permaculture, and how enlightened self interest, can provide the stimulus to collapse the world financial system. This may be the only thing to save or, lesson, the bigger long term threats of Climate Change and Peak Oil. There is a lot of information and insight into the political aspects of permaculture in this speech.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ublished on Feb 18, 2015

"To Collapse Or Not To Collapse: Pushing for economic ruin or building a great transition" was the topic for this unconventional 'debate' for the Sustainable Living Festival held at Federation Square in Melbourne February 2015. David Holmgren was the first of six speakers which also included Jess Moore, George Marshall, Nicole Foss, George Monbiot (Video Link) and Philip Sutton.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roO5FJZNmBM

Holgrem has changed from just ignoring mainstream society, to actively calling for its demise through non violent means. This recent video, is the first time I've heard him express himself like this. Although I have arrived at the same conclusions, I got there by a different route. It's nice to see some confirmation.

I've heard it said you can't be a practicing Permaculturist for long before you become an Anarchist. I'm afraid it's true. 8O

There are thousands of blokes like David in Australia, he's not regarded as radical in an individual sense. He is by the way an infamous womaniser (ask any attractive young woman who has done a workshop with him) besides milking the very simple concepts of permaculture[TRADE MARK SIGN] for all they are worth.
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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby Cog » Thu 24 Mar 2016, 09:56:50

Our posterity will worship us as gods. Many a tale will be spun to explain the marvels that they uncover when they excavate land fills.
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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 24 Mar 2016, 10:51:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'T')anada, that is assuming there are humans around in another 500 years from now. But you are right...people centuries from now may be amazed at the legends of our advanced civilization. But they may also criticize us for being so short-sighted that we left our descendants, aka them, with a desolate world with nowhere near as much resources and biodiversity as today.


If humans go extinct in less than 500 years, something I find incredibly unlikely, then there will be no posterity wondering anything because they will have never been born. I have explained my reasoning multiple times and remain unswayed by claims that mega doom is going to kill us all. It might be a world where life is short, brutal and dissatisfying. On the other hand once our numbers recede the posterity alive then will view the world just like people alive now, they will see things as they are and consider it normal thinking they have always been just that way.

They will not miss passenger pigeons or California Condors, or Giraffes and Elephants roaming the savanna. They will have never seen these things outside of story books and maybe cave art. You can not miss what you have never experienced.

Take a survival class some time, if lost alone in the wilderness there is a priority list you need to follow for survival.

If you can not find your way to civilization within a few hours then your priority #1 is shelter. You will die of exposure more often than from any other cause.

Once you have some form of shelter priority #2 is water, three days no water and you will die of thirst.

Food is not a priority if you can follow a water source and build a shelter each afternoon because even a skinny person can survive three weeks without food, and an average person can survive 40-80 days while still walking along the water course they are following. Unless you know what plants are safe to eat you are better off going without food while walking to civilization, the vast majority of plants have defensive chemicals that will make you sick or kill you from poison if you eat them.

Desu I highly recommend everyone take a wilderness survival class, not only will you learn some basic survival skills you will also realize that human cities and suburbs combined only cover about 2 percent of the land surface of the planet. The other 98 percent is fields and pastures and forests and grasslands and mountains and taiga and deserts and ice sheets and bogs and swamps and lakes and rivers and oceans. If you spend all of your time in the city and suburbs you can get a very distorted view of just how abundant and resilient nature is. Humans have lived in very primitive conditions from the shores of the Arctic Ocean to the equator in all of those environments by learning what they needed to do to survive. Though they are fewer in number every year there are still people living the traditional lifestyle in many of those environments even today. In another few generations they will probably all be assimilated, if our civilization lasts that long.
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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 24 Mar 2016, 12:30:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ') If you spend all of your time in the city and suburbs you can get a very distorted view of just how abundant and resilient nature is.


Indeed, very often these are my thoughts when reading many a posters comments here and elsewhere.

Seeing nature's resilience and having a sense of your own shifts you to a totally other space in relationship to anticipating upcoming disruptions.

The myopic scared little urban mouse contemplating doom is an embarrassing place to be...
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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby ralfy » Thu 24 Mar 2016, 21:14:09

The irony is that the resilience of nature also involves feedback loops which contribute to global warming and environmental damage, in turn causing crises for human beings.
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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 25 Mar 2016, 19:25:54

I do not believe our descendants for as long as they are around, will ever forget this period of time in our collective evolution. I say this because, this period is uniquely pivotal and special in terms of both the magnitude of our erroneous actions and as the culmination of a particularly virulent form of materialism and preoccupation with ourselves. I fully expect that all those who follows us will have a perspective similar to many generations of humans that came before us. This attitude or perspective being one of a recognition of limitations and of a sense of humility in the face of capricious and unequivocal Nature and the challenges that it imposes on all living beings. So, these few generations who have lived in this modern times are an anomaly that will reverberate throughout our evolution for as long as we exist, for we will be viewed as both having attained great and lofty heights but at the price of existential consequences.
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Re: How will posterity view us?

Unread postby vox_mundi » Sat 26 Mar 2016, 13:07:21

Poland approves logging Europe's last primeval forest

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')oland on Friday gave the go ahead for large-scale logging in the Bialowieza forest intended to combat a spruce bark beetle infestation, despite scientists, ecologists and the EU protesting the move in Europe's last primeval woodland.

Under the new plan, loggers will harvest more than 180,000 cubic metres (6.4 million cubic feet) of wood from areas of the forest over a decade, dwarfing previous plans to harvest 40,000 cubic metres over the same period.

Sprawling across 150,000 hectares, the Bialowieza forest reaches across the Polish border with Belarus, where it is entirely protected as a nature park.

It is home to 20,000 animal species, including 250 types of bird and 62 species of mammals—among them Europe's largest, the bison.

Europe's tallest trees, firs towering 50 metres high (164 feet), and oaks and ashes of 40 metres, also flourish here, in an ecosystem unspoiled for more than 10 millennia.
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