I've only got one thing to say about 'psychobabble':
DENIAL IS AN EGYPTIAN RIVER
Not very original, but anyone who thinks shrinks are the "answer" is deluding themselves.
One only visits and/or trusts a shrink if one wants to get worse.
I realise that the discussion is not about seeing a shrink, but the whole idea of trusting anything the shrinks SAY, after decades of their FAILURES, only gives them (the shrinks) greater credance at a time when increased skepticism is what's actually needed.
The reason "people" don't like "bad news" is because the shrinks have pandered to the very impulse in humans which the pre-psychology era worked so hard to stamp on - viz: when a Roman General had a tremendious victory, and was parading along the Appian Way, there was always a slave whispering in his ear: "Remember, you will die one day"
Well, remembering death & mortality (and things like Peak Oil, *gasp* How AWFUL of me!) Won't Do These days!
Instead, the psychologists have perfected the way to best diddle people outta their cash - flattery. Oh, I admit it's of a subtle sort.
But the FIRST RULE of the humbug and charlatanry of psychology & psychiatry is "Never tell the patient the truth - it might give them a TRAUMA!"
BEELZEBUB, what a useful word!
With this idea in mind, the shrinks now bubble-wrap everyone, to prevent the discomforts of life from ever getting through to anyone.
They attempt, mostly successfully, to keep from people's minds the truth that a great many of us will die "before our time" in EXTREMELY unpleasant ways (even if Peak Oil does not occour, have we forgotten things like cancer? Car accidents? Wars? Famine?).
The media has responded, and so has governments (well, why go against such a oh-so-very-useful flow?), in keeping people fat, dumb & just unhappy enough so they will keep comin' back for more "treatments" but not-so-unhappy so they won't start thinking for themselves, well, that's the dilemma for the shrinks. The media and corporations and especially governments have loved that last bit - keeping people from thinking for themselves.
If psychology & psychiatry is sooooooo darn successful, how come we see a rise in suicide rates?
Indeed, for that matter, why do we now see suicide at all?
Pyschology & psychiatry was "supposed" to "cure" all persons of criminal intent...why do we now see those of the most criminally pathological personalities "getting to the top" in every field? Even after "psychological profiling techniques" have been applied?
One thing to be said in favour of the 1980's greedy yuppie elites: at least they robbed OTHER COMPANIES - the Sensitive New Age Executives who lived in the psychologically adjusted 1990's (and now) rob their OWN companies.
Pyschology & psychiatry was supposed to make us LESS vulnerable to "propaganda", but now we have advertising (propaganda under a different name) which is so psychologically tuned to trick people into buying stuff they neither need, nor want - nor have the ability to pay for, it's turned "clueless impulse consumerism" into a way of life.
We seem to have more jails, and more crime, and more criminals and more PROMOTION of criminals to "high places" and more blatantly obviously guilty persons being excused from their obvious criminality because of .... a shrink who is brought in to give "expert testimony" which proves that so-and-so, well, she DID kill her kids, but that's because she was "abused" (another VERY useful word!) as a child because her single mother didn't say nice things to her. Or give her the pony she'd always wanted. Or the other consumer products that her single mother couldn't afford. Somehow this means the father is at fault, if anyone is actually to blame.
And the defendant, well, she was depressed because her favourite soapie actress hadn't got an Oscar.
So she beat her own kids to death with a toilet plunger?
WELL, she was traumatised on behalf of the actress!
OH, and because she's had a trauma,
BEELZEBUB, what a useful word!
The judge nods wisely....
And she walks free!!!! After all, to punish the defendant (by, say, sending her to jail because she murdered several children) would be "traditionalistic" and that's just NOT allowed.
Another victory for psychology over justice!
Another example is the way the shrinks work to criticise those who would insist that beating your own kids to death is actually a crime (by calling them "traditionalistic" and "intolerant" - has anyone else noticed how tolerance seems only to be reserved for corrupt business executives?), while excusing those who actually do beat their own kids to death.
So, you really wanna know where the now-unassailable desire not to hear "bad news" comes from?
It comes from the very shrinks who invented the term "Denial".
If you think this is accidental, think again - Sigmund Fraud (spelling intentional) secured a high reputation by diagnosing people with diseases they did not have, then curing them of it.
And thus he achieved a 100% success rate! Brilliant!
So, what have the shrinks done to "drum up business"?
Remove from the greatest portion of the population that they can, the ability to 'handle bad news' , and then subtly induce feelings of guilt into people for going along with this, then CURING us all of the very thing the shrinks have induced!!! But only after long, expensive therapy, of course.
"Denial" - it's the Egyptian River all shrinks should be drowned in.
After all - Why Be Part Of The Solution, When There's So Much Money To Be Made Out Of Prolonging The Problem?
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by ubercynicmeister » Sat 18 Jun 2005, 23:18:47
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by I_Like_Plants » Sat 18 Jun 2005, 23:36:40
Good post! And yes the whole area of psychology is a fraud, with the exception of sports psychology which is actually based on reality and the sports psych gets fired if he/she doesn't produce results. Then again, sports psych. is simple enough that you don't need many of those types of "doctors" and the best sports psychs are retired athletes who write about how they won.
"Psychological problems" like schizophrenia, OCD etc are medical problems and the only progress made in those has been by medical doctors.
The rest of it, the remaining 99% of the field, are a bunch of self-serving, disease-inventing, frauds, whose only purpose is to keep themselves in a job.
They, "nail technicians", car detailers, etc will not have jobs after the collapse so just wait then you can sit back and laugh.
"Psychological problems" like schizophrenia, OCD etc are medical problems and the only progress made in those has been by medical doctors.
The rest of it, the remaining 99% of the field, are a bunch of self-serving, disease-inventing, frauds, whose only purpose is to keep themselves in a job.
They, "nail technicians", car detailers, etc will not have jobs after the collapse so just wait then you can sit back and laugh.
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by MacG » Sun 19 Jun 2005, 17:05:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I')'ve only got one thing to say about 'psychobabble':
DENIAL IS AN EGYPTIAN RIVER
Not very original, but anyone who thinks shrinks are the "answer" is deluding themselves.
One only visits and/or trusts a shrink if one wants to get worse.
DENIAL IS AN EGYPTIAN RIVER
Not very original, but anyone who thinks shrinks are the "answer" is deluding themselves.
One only visits and/or trusts a shrink if one wants to get worse.
Basically I agree wholeheartedly. Classical psychologists are absolute disasters and generally leave people in a worse state than they found them. There is a rumour that Sigmund Freud was asked when he considered analysis as finished, and his answer was "when the patient's money is finished". His conclusion still stand me think.
There are, however, a couple of exceptions:
1) As a pure spectator sport, psychology can be a rather interesting game. I consider Elisabeth Kubler-Ross as a pure spectator. Along with Pavlov and the likes. She studied people who had got their date of death somewhat more fixed than the rest of us, and did not pretend to do be able to do something special about it.
2) There is a rather recent branch of psychology which has sprouted in a diverse and productive way. It is difficult to find the core, but Cognitive Behavioural Theraphy (CBT) and Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) are a couple of abbreviations which connect a lot of it, and they are somewhat interconnected.
CBT show pretty stunning results when treating a lot of phobias, eating disorders and anxiety disorders. Beat the old crowd by miles. Measurable.
Variations of NLP are found in sports psychology (and I promise: EVERY olympic medalist the last 15 years use these techniques - those who dont use them miss the medals), in police interrogation techniques and in sales techniques. Sales people are kind of hardwired to "sales success" and use anything that works, independent of faith. If a broom, a kettle and a sacrificed goat bring better sales, it will be used.
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by ubercynicmeister » Sun 19 Jun 2005, 21:03:16
Hi MacG
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I')'ve only got one thing to say about 'psychobabble':
DENIAL IS AN EGYPTIAN RIVER
Not very original, but anyone who thinks shrinks are the "answer" is deluding themselves.
One only visits and/or trusts a shrink if one wants to get worse.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', 'I')'ve only got one thing to say about 'psychobabble':
DENIAL IS AN EGYPTIAN RIVER
Not very original, but anyone who thinks shrinks are the "answer" is deluding themselves.
One only visits and/or trusts a shrink if one wants to get worse.
Basically I agree wholeheartedly. Classical psychologists are absolute disasters and generally leave people in a worse state than they found them. There is a rumour that Sigmund Freud was asked when he considered analysis as finished, and his answer was "when the patient's money is finished". His conclusion still stand me think.
There are, however, a couple of exceptions:
1) As a pure spectator sport, psychology can be a rather interesting game. I consider Elisabeth Kubler-Ross as a pure spectator. Along with Pavlov and the likes. She studied people who had got their date of death somewhat more fixed than the rest of us, and did not pretend to do be able to do something special about it.
This sounds like the old classic about doctors in general: Doctors bury their mistakes. The idea of "humans as guinea pigs" to be studied and not helped leaves me somewhat cold.
"What's that? Oh, you've got a terminal illness? OK, instead of making your last days comfortable, let's stick you through this series of tests & studies and treat you like a crash-test-dummy and all for no reason that we can think of, other than to allow us to present you as case number #34227845 at the next big shrink conference."
BY ALL THE GODS, I hope this lot never find out about Peak Oil - we'll all be 'studied' as 'test subjects' as the place falls apart. HELP! Save me from the hordes of shrinks!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')) There is a rather recent branch of psychology which has sprouted in a diverse and productive way. It is difficult to find the core, but Cognitive Behavioural Theraphy (CBT) and Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) are a couple of abbreviations which connect a lot of it, and they are somewhat interconnected.
CBT show pretty stunning results when treating a lot of phobias, eating disorders and anxiety disorders. Beat the old crowd by miles. Measurable.
Pardon my cynicism, but that's what the psychologists reported when they were starting up. Then, in a few years time (Peak Oil Notwithstanding) , it'll be quietly announced that "results were not as promising as first thought", then a few years after THAT, there will be another quiet announcement: "CBT produces no measurable gain, in the long term, (etc etc etc) but it will still be a useful tool, (etc etc)"
Therein lies the problem - psychology produced (it was thought at the time) brilliant results, with 100% cure rates! Gosh! Wow!
All that preceeded psychology and psychiatry could be safely swept away, and all traditions, and all ethics dumped into the trash bin of history. This was the New Age Of Oil-Based Technocracy, and We Didn't Need Outdated Notions Like Ethics.
Pardon me, but what does "CBT" say about ethics?
Y'see that was the major triumph of psychology - the murder & burial of all ethics. W hich is why our marvellous business leaders feel so darn self-assured & confident while they rob their own companies (and the world and future generations, but well, we already knew that) because their tame shrinks impart such confidence.
Psychology has only served to make corruption & ethical bankruptcy invincible.
Will CBT be used to produce the same effect?
And as for "counselling"....what a racket! If you can sleep with your eyes open and nod without snoring, you're a natural. Get PAID big money to catch up on your rest!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ariations of NLP are found in sports psychology (and I promise: EVERY olympic medalist the last 15 years use these techniques - those who dont use them miss the medals),
The "sports psychologists" are a whole lot less use than the pharmeceutical agencies which supply the "performance enhancing drugs" (actually, they are less likely to be steroids, these days, as most steroids are fairly easily detectable). And I promise - EVERY Olympic Medalist since 1976 has used 'em. In ONE form or another. The ones who didn't get the medals didn't come from rich familes, and were not able to afford the performance enhancements.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')n police interrogation techniques and in sales techniques.
By all the gods then, this horrifying technique should be completely BANNED....making salescritters even MORE effective is the last thing anyone needs, and will just make Peak Oil worse. Mind you, TRADITIONAL psychology made sales critters better at selling us stuff we neither needed nor wanted.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ales people are kind of hardwired to "sales success" and use anything that works, independent of faith.
Yes, I agree....to the world's cost, we can all see that.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')If a broom, a kettle and a sacrificed goat bring better sales, it will be used.
