[onlooker]

Maybe Ennui, we just want the truth and reality to prevail. Nobody is desperate for calamity. We just want to analyze dispassionately all that is occurring to better understand and yes in the maybe misguided hope that others may tune in here and discover for themselves and pass the word along. So what is your suggestion we all just shut up!

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'G')ood/bad is ultimately a state of mind, Monte.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'G')ood/bad is ultimately a state of mind, Monte.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Take my words out of your f3cking signature. Please.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Take my words out of your f3cking signature. Please.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'G')ood/bad is ultimately a state of mind, Monte.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Take my words out of your f3cking signature. Please.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I') tolerate ad homs up to a point, but once it devolves into something like a FUCK OFF or Monte telling me he's going to jack off on me, it's way way over the line.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', ' ')You developed a reputation of wishing/wanting a die-off in order to bring nature back into balance. And you loved to talk about die-off with a creepy level of detachment. Back in the day I used to really get on your case over that. The whole Moonraker misanthrope archetype who deals only with numbers and doesn't seem to care about individual human suffering.

[ralfy]

Related:

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/5 ... d_08102011

That is, only a few weeks' worth of food, fuel, medicine, etc., for each town and city, large distances to cover to deliver necessities, most hardly trained for self-sustainability (most survivalists are not even aware of the extensive energy and resource needed to make their "survivalist gear" available), a fraction dependent on drugs, many armed, several not very healthy and likely driven by narcissism, a large prison system coupled with military and police forces that are more likely interested in maintaining their own operations and maintaining "law and order" by controlling civilian populations (same for governments and the rich), etc.

Meanwhile, for most of the world's population, poverty and difficulty in accessing one or more basic needs, governments and security forces with similar disposition, a global rich that thinks that much of its wealth (consisting of numbers in hard drives) will still be important, and military forces that likely believe in maintaining "law and order" no matter what happens, while even the most "isolated" regions in the world are soon affected by combinations of environmental damage and fallout from global warming.

Thus, it's not so much peak oil but the same coupled with multiple crises that will take place across the world. Given the effects of lack of oil on industrialization, police and military too busy fending for themselves as human migration increases, climate change affecting the environment (especially food production), together with more polluted water, etc., there will be no safe refuge.

Finally, as peak oil is part of the threat of limitations in resources in general, then perhaps the better term is not "doomer" but, as pointed out earlier, "realist":

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... g-collapse

unless it can be shown that the trend for resource availability will suddenly reverse course soon.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Wishing for a die-off? No one that paid attention to my posts can say that.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'I') tolerate ad homs up to a point, but once it devolves into something like a FUCK OFF or Monte telling me he's going to jack off on me, it's way way over the line.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', ' ')Your presentation of overshoot and die off had about as much emotional sensitivity as the output of a computer.

[onlooker]

Maybe even here Monte, the dreaded die-off spoken about so directly is not comfortable to some. I admit I myself rather not think of the future sometimes. But you are just calling it as you see it from a knowledgeable perspective.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', ' ')Not at all. The term I used is simply a figure of speech meant to question the emphasis you are placing on that one historical chart's metric.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'M')aybe even here Monte, the dreaded die-off spoken about so directly is not comfortable to some. I admit I myself rather not think of the future sometimes. But you are just calling it as you see it from a knowledgeable perspective.

[MonteQuest]

All I expect from anyone on here is a civil discussion of the merits. Anything else is just annoying, muddies the thread and furthers nothing but angst.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')And I certainly didn't posts the other charts to try and convince you. Your motivated reasoning prevents you from acknowledging facts that don't fit your narrative.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'Y')our arrogance prevents you from realizing that you also have "motivated reasoning".