[StarvingLion]

The Wind Turbine is the Jim Jones Koolaid of our times. Everybody is drinking it and nobody except me thinks it will cause the greatest mass destruction that everyone assumed could only be possible via nuclear war.

The Failed Liberal Academic System believes every single problem can be solved simply by putting up more and more wind turbines faster and faster.

The Adult Children of the Earth's ideology is Liquid Fuel Simply Doesn't Matter

Therefore, there won't be any kind of decline due to Peak Oil.

Any sign of liquid fuels rationing anywhere in the world will trigger it...

FULL STOP and the immediate return of reality of liquid fuels being the only thing maintaining social order...and when that happens...

Every City on Earth being burnt to the ground via rioting within 1 week

The WMD is not a H-Bomb that will happen....its the lowly Wind Turbine.

My Predition: Every single city on earth will be burned to the ground within 5 years via looting and rioting because the liquid fuels catastrophe is guaranteed due to peak oil and mass delusion of renewables Thats what the elite tech con artists are doing right now....looting and rioting the fake money system to be the feudal lords of the industrial afterlife.

The result will be the immediate return of the 13th century

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StarvingLion', 'T')he Wind Turbine is the Jim Jones Koolaid of our times.

My Predition: Every single city on earth will be burned to the ground within 5 years via looting and rioting because the liquid fuels catastrophe is guaranteed due to peak oil and mass delusion of renewables Thats what the elite tech con artists are doing right now....looting and rioting the fake money system to be the feudal lords of the industrial afterlife.

The result will be the immediate return of the 13th century

[sunweb]

We will go kicking and screaming down the path to the new Middle Ages as fossil fuels desert us. With the decline of available energy, most of us who have sat at the top of the energy pyramid will become the new peasants. With the popular view of the Middle Ages as a brutal and dirty time filled with famine and disease and at the mercy of armed overlords. We cringe at the thought.

With great sadness, we must recognize the direct connection between present day population levels and the use of fossil fuels in food production, medical procedures, medicines and hygiene. With the fall in fossil fuel availability there will be a reduction in population. Population soared with the industrial revolution and the development of industrial, fossil fuel based agriculture. It cannot be sustained.
From: The New Middle Ages
http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2011/05/ne ... -ages.html

[vtsnowedin]

Will we go back to thinking the earth is flat? Will we forget what we have learned about bacteria and viruses? Will we forget how to fly?Will we forget what plant nutrients are needed to achieve high yields?
No to all of that and much more. We will go to a world where energy comes at a much higher price then today but it will not be anything like the Middle ages.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'W')ill we go back to thinking the earth is flat? Will we forget what we have learned about bacteria and viruses? Will we forget how to fly?Will we forget what plant nutrients are needed to achieve high yields?
No to all of that and much more. We will go to a world where energy comes at a much higher price then today but it will not be anything like the Middle ages.

[Shaved Monkey]

We cant even remember not to get sucked in by the same type of propaganda that the Nazis used.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sunweb', 'W')e will go kicking and screaming down the path to the new Middle Ages as fossil fuels desert us. With the decline of available energy, most of us who have sat at the top of the energy pyramid will become the new peasants. With the popular view of the Middle Ages as a brutal and dirty time filled with famine and disease and at the mercy of armed overlords. We cringe at the thought.

With great sadness, we must recognize the direct connection between present day population levels and the use of fossil fuels in food production, medical procedures, medicines and hygiene. With the fall in fossil fuel availability there will be a reduction in population. Population soared with the industrial revolution and the development of industrial, fossil fuel based agriculture. It cannot be sustained.
From: The New Middle Ages
http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2011/05/ne ... -ages.html

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'W')e cant even remember not to get sucked in by the same type of propaganda that the Nazis used.

[ROCKMAN]

Sun – “We will go kicking and screaming down the path to the new Middle Ages as fossil fuels desert us.” What do you mean “we” white man? LOL. Fossil fuels were behind the big pop expansion we’ve seen in Texas for years. Oil and NG will peter out here eventually but we still have mucho lignite which is about to become much more eco-friendly with respect to GHG emissions thanks to the largest CO2 sequestration project on the planet coming on line soon. It will turn the second largest GHG source in the country into an “*” on that list. And now Mississippi is about to come online with the largest combination lignite to syngas and sequestration project ever so it can become more dependent upon its huge lignite resources.

And despite the pissed off kitty’s claim wind power has already provided as huge supplement to our NG sourced electricity generation. If a country Texas would tie with #4 Germany in wind power. In fact a couple of winters ago wind provided almost 40% of the state’s electricity demand for a short period when an Arctic vortex shut down a number of our NG fired power stations.

Of course that just us and maybe Mississippi. You correct: folks need to start preparing for less/more expensive fossil fuels. Actually should have started 30+ years ago but we can’t change history. But we can alter the future to some degree by accepting the inevitable future of oil/NG.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', '
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Did the hunter gatherers and peasant farmers of Yucatan remember how to build Mayan pyramids? Did the farmers and shepherds of Italy in 1000 remember how to make the plumbing in Rome work and maintain all the civic structures?

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'H')ow many literate people were there among the Incas? And how many books or libraries? Was Rome ever totally abandoned? Sacked? yes, but reduced to non functional rubble?

[Lore]

Regression will happen not because we lack the knowledge, but the lack of ability to utilize it.

How many here can single-handedly make the sophisticated tools around us that we take for granted everyday? My guess is none. Pull a few key people out of the mix on every technological stepping stone along with access to resources and you get a pretty basic if not primitive lifestyle. Doesn't matter if I can still read it in a book. Then again even reading may eventually be considered unessential by many like it once was.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StarvingLion', 'A')ny sign of liquid fuels rationing anywhere in the world will trigger it...

[Subjectivist]

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Did the hunter gatherers and peasant farmers of Yucatan remember how to build Mayan pyramids? Did the farmers and shepherds of Italy in 1000 remember how to make the plumbing in Rome work and maintain all the civic structures?

[hvacman]

Unfortunately, we can't "exactly" regress back to the middle ages. That was the time of PD - Peak Dragon. Without a thought at all of the heroic needs of future generations of knights-to-be, the knights of the middle ages ignored the pleas of some for "sustainable" dragon-slaying practices and killed them all, driving the noble fire-breathing species to extinction.

[vtsnowedin]

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Did the hunter gatherers and peasant farmers of Yucatan remember how to build Mayan pyramids? Did the farmers and shepherds of Italy in 1000 remember how to make the plumbing in Rome work and maintain all the civic structures?

[Lore]

There is no going back, only going forward. Trying to compare any kind of future world with the past is a fruitless exercise since all the parameters have changed.

It's not going to be Kunstler's vision of a world made by hand, or Little House on the Prairie. Either will it be some post apocalyptic Road Warrior society. That, I can be reasonably sure of.

In the course of human lives things happen slowly with intermittent periods of life changing events. While it's human nature to believe things will always get better, reality often tells us a different story. I would say for the most part though humans are much better off today then in the past hundred years. Thanks to unconstrained utilization of our planets resources. Then again we've been discussing those limits here and we all know they cannot go on indefinitely.

I can only personally predict the inevitability of somethings, but not the exact time, or circumstance as to how it will affect most individuals. Which leads to endless arguments depending on your age and disposition as objects in the mirror maybe closer then you think.

[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sunweb', 'W')e will go kicking and screaming down the path to the new Middle Ages as fossil fuels desert us. With the decline of available energy, most of us who have sat at the top of the energy pyramid will become the new peasants. With the popular view of the Middle Ages as a brutal and dirty time filled with famine and disease and at the mercy of armed overlords. We cringe at the thought.

With great sadness, we must recognize the direct connection between present day population levels and the use of fossil fuels in food production, medical procedures, medicines and hygiene. With the fall in fossil fuel availability there will be a reduction in population. Population soared with the industrial revolution and the development of industrial, fossil fuel based agriculture. It cannot be sustained.
From: The New Middle Ages
http://sunweber.blogspot.com/2011/05/ne ... -ages.html

[JV153]

AgentR11 has got it right.. and one other rationing method is called licensing. See you have this plastic card with your picture on it before you go pick up the pump at the gas station. When I got my license in Canada, before the driving test for a G license I went to get an extra accreditation on defensive driving since it knocked down the cost of insurance. Accreditor had has watch Disney cartoons for a few hours (with Goofy and about not getting angry while driving) as well as a couple hours where he gave pointers and a brief written test, and then told us something important about the driving test.. the driving test route goes through a zone where the speed limit changes from 40 to 50 kph.. so if you go through the 40 zone at 47 you give the driving tester one out of two reasons to fail you, and usually they were eager to fail you since it meant you had to redo the test.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
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I can only personally predict the inevitability of somethings, but not the exact time, or circumstance as to how it will affect most individuals. Which leads to endless arguments depending on your age and disposition as objects in the mirror maybe closer then you think.