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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 18:33:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he same user later called for Ms. Faz’s expulsion tweeting, “Lol let the football team go on strike and they’ll expel #EmilyFaz before midnight.”

“#EmilyFaz getting police escorts for being RACIST and black people got 0 positive attention from cops at mizzou #whiteprivilege,” another user tweeted.

Another student urged activists to call the restaurant where Ms. Faz was employed about her post.

“Wanna have a word with the manage at Wild Wings Cafe about Emily Faz, here you go (912) ***-****,” the student tweeted.

According to Everything Georgia, Ms. Faz lost her job.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/19/emily-faz-georgia-student-fired-from-her-job-after/


Statement from the restaurant:

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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 18:44:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'M')eh, go read "The Eternal Jew" and you'll quickly recognize that these are the antisemitic scripts of the 1920's when the jews were supposedly suppressing white peoples (back before Jews were "white") freedom of speech. Same scripts, word for word.


Well sh*t, so me and Cog are nazis too? What about Woodrow Wilson, was he a nazi?

Compromise position: don't erase Wilson from history, but also take a look at what the guy said on race and let's all agree that's what racism looks like and make that the red line but don't have liberals push the racism red line so far out that it's just conservativism in general.

You probably know I'm right Preston, the safe space stuff is loopy. :P

edit: this was a tweet from Joe Scarborough:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')oe Scarborough ✔ @JoeNBC
Insanity breaks out at Princeton. Now Woodrow Wilson is a racist pig. Enough. Stand firm, President Eisgruber.


Oh, so "The Eternal Jew" is now off limits, so any of those antisemitic classics are automatically off limits, like you're putting that in a special category of sacredness five or six notches above the Bible?
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 18:45:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he left always resorts to the same deal. Call them Nazi's or KKK, or just racists. Anyone who wants the First Amendment to actually mean what it says.


Whining titty baby needs a "safe space?"
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby Sixstrings » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 19:38:18

Emily Faz's original post:

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And then BLM was tweeting that it's not right that Paris got so much news coverage but the media won't cover BLM.

And then Faz did a post that crticized BLM for that, but it was not as harsh as her post about muslims.

Then BLM went after her for criticizing BLM, and she clarified things a bit with this post (and the story is in the UK daily main now, btw):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/20/18/2EA57AD200000578-3327325-image-a-3_1448044531073.jpg[/img]

College student apologizes for criticizing Black Lives Matter online after her post online got her fired from her job and has activists calling for her expulsion
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3327325/White-college-student-fired-restaurant-job-criticizing-Mizzou-Black-Lives-Matter-activists-online.html


Do you guys see what's going on here?

BLM had a hashtag on twitter that said "#f*ckparis" and they were complaining nobody covers their BLM movment but the media covers other things.

***It's an overall view of "I'm the biggest victim." Like nobody can be a bigger victim than BLM. It's just not allowed. The Safe Space is about BLM and that's it.***

So that's all I'm trying to get at here, just look at this "safe space" / BLM thing in its entirety, that it's like "I'm the biggest victim" and people even dig back into history and they never even knew a darn thing about Woodrow Wilson but some people are just looking for something to be upset about. If there's no current racism to be upset about, they'll look back into history.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby SeaGypsy » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 19:40:46

(Motoromouth beat me to it- Preston) ;)
Which he gets from cuddling up to his dumb teddy bear with a tape recorder built in like that computer game my 4 year old loves where you groom the digital cat & it repeats whatever you say in a squeaky cute little baby cat voice. I'm talking about 6.

To my view if a real Hitlerite movement ever got into power in the USA, 6 is representative of the sort of clown who would sign up & card carry asap. Utterly swayed by mainstream propaganda, very much worshipful to the State & it's rhetoric, equally into military solutions to every problem & hateful to the entire process of personal political insight, ignoring direct questions about beliefs, looking for a strong fascist alpha to cuddle up & feel safe with.
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Postby Sixstrings » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 19:58:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '(')Motoromouth beat me to it- Preston) ;)
Which he gets from cuddling up to his dumb teddy bear with a tape recorder built in like that computer game my 4 year old loves where you groom the digital cat & it repeats whatever you say in a squeaky cute little baby cat voice. I'm talking about 6.

To my view if a real Hitlerite movement ever got into power in the USA, 6 is representative of the sort of clown who would sign up & card carry asap. Utterly swayed by mainstream propaganda, very much worshipful to the State & it's rhetoric, equally into military solutions to every problem & hateful to the entire process of personal political insight, ignoring direct questions about beliefs, looking for a strong fascist alpha to cuddle up & feel safe with.


This thread's gettin' heated. Maybe we need to try "safe space." I looked up the rules for safe space, it seems to be about "creating group agreement" so maybe that's what we need here on this forum:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Creating Group Agreement
A Lesson Plan from Creating Safe Space

Purpose: To establish an agreed-upon code of behavior for the group so that each participant feels safe and able to rely on others in the group

Procedure:
Explain to the participants that, because they will be discussing sensitive issues, the group should agree on some ground rules. Ask them to come up with their own ground rules, ones that they will all agree to observe.

Keep your list of ground rules posted prominently throughout all the activity sessions dealing with safe space.

Recommended Ground Rules:

Respect—Give undivided attention to the person who has the floor (permission to speak).

Confidentiality—What we share in this group will remain in this group.

Openness—We will be as open and honest as possible without disclosing others' (family, neighbors, or friends) personal or private issues. It is okay to discuss situations, but we won't use names or other ID. For example, we won't say, "My older brother …" Instead we will say, "I know someone who …"

Right to pass—It is always okay to pass (meaning "I'd rather not" or "I don't want to answer").

Nonjudgmental approach—We can disagree with another person's point of view without putting that person down.

Taking care to claim our opinions—We will speak our opinions using the first person and avoid using 'you'. For example, " I think that kindness is important." Not, " You are just mean."

Sensitivity to diversity—We will remember that people in the group may differ in cultural background, sexual orientation, and/or gender identity or gender expression and will be careful about making insensitive or careless remarks.
Anonymity—It is okay to ask any question by using the suggestion box.

Acceptance—It is okay to feel uncomfortable; adults feel uncomfortable, too, when they talk about sensitive and personal topics, such as sexuality.

Have a good time—It is okay to have a good time. Creating a safe space is about coming together as a community, being mutually supportive, and enjoying each other's qualities.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/for-professionals/lesson-plans-professionals/221?task=view

(okay maybe that's the wrong safe space rules, that's the original safe space that was gay rights and a lot of the above is just what you'd see in psychological counseling, like marriage counseling techniques. That above safe space rules list is alright, but the thing is -- why ASSUME there is so much disagreement? Is EVERYTHING like marriage counseling now, people can't just talk? The above assumes there is disagreement and then it assumes there has to be a collective group agreement at the end of it. But most of those rules are okay other than that, there's nothing far out loopy about it.

I did also look at the berkley safe space rules, that one was the crazy one and that was the one talking about "triggers")

So anyhow SG, you keep breaking this safe space rule:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')onjudgmental approach—We can disagree with another person's point of view without putting that person down.


edit: and I'm now likely verging on breaking the coc about trolling etc., but I'm just trying to demonstrate the absurdity of "safe space" -- when it's taken to extremes and it's REALLY all about a particular ideology and then trying to structure it so everyone has to agree with that and the rules are meant to herd everyone in that direction.

And then before you know it, the whole "safe space" thing and all the rules, becomes a bit cult-like.

But I need to let this drop -- the reality is that most liberals are not so far to the left as what you see in vermont or berkley. And most Democrats don't approve of BLM's tactics. And most black folks (that I know and have ever met) aren't anything like the people in BLM and the tactics they use and talking bout race all the time and being victims. I don't actually know any black folks that are like that, they're in the minority in the black community.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby SeaGypsy » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 20:14:18

You have clearly not got any experience in NVA or consensus mandated collectives. Since when is PO.com a 'safe space'?

Really you seem to be getting more crackers as time goes by. You are posting 20 times plus a day, without saying anything of substance. Thinking out loud. Actually the more of you I read the more borderline Aspergers you seem.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 20:58:13

There is not safe space from the monsters from the id!

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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby Subjectivist » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 23:00:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')here is not safe space from the monsters from the id!

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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby Cog » Fri 20 Nov 2015, 23:28:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he left always resorts to the same deal. Call them Nazi's or KKK, or just racists. Anyone who wants the First Amendment to actually mean what it says.


Whining titty baby needs a "safe space?"


Au Contraire. When the left uses those terms with me it lets me know I have hit what I was aiming at. :P
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Sat 21 Nov 2015, 03:18:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', '
')Forbidden Planet is a great movie!
Wonderful cast, excellent old school special effects, funny how the spaceship is run like a nuclear sub. Space ships of today don't have a cook! In retrospect, the weird thing is the underlying theme of the film is incest, with the id monster being Walter Pigeon's urge to nail Anne Francis.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Sat 21 Nov 2015, 04:22:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he left always resorts to the same deal. Call them Nazi's or KKK, or just racists. Anyone who wants the First Amendment to actually mean what it says.


Whining titty baby needs a "safe space?"

Au Contraire. When the left uses those terms with me it lets me know I have hit what I was aiming at. :P
Like Plant, you're taking refuge in wht's been described as the simultaneous appearance of strupidity and arrogance, where you declare that you are no longer able to follow the simplest ideas and that proves you win. I ask if you need a safe zone, and you say you've won.

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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby Cog » Sat 21 Nov 2015, 06:05:05

I would have thought you would have been thrilled with this thread. After all, the desire of to create safe zones and limiting free speech are pure Saul Alinsky ideology. Something the Democrat party is very much in love with these days. In November 2016, we shall see if that constitutes a majority.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby SeaGypsy » Sat 21 Nov 2015, 06:34:38

Any ideology can form an in group with the same principles, they are not necessarily left or right. The conditions for the group are set by the group, the principles should allow all participants to be heard & should seek to include all points of view to reach consensus on decisions about policy & procedure.
The problem in the college setting is though a considerably naive attempt at forcing consensus among disparate groups- we already know how hard this is for international professional negotiators so expecting kids & lifetime collegiate ideologues to achieve real maturity in consensus based broad sweeping settings is unrealistic.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Sat 21 Nov 2015, 14:07:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '[')b]I would have thought you would have been thrilled with this thread. After all, the desire of to create safe zones and limiting free speech are pure Saul Alinsky ideology. Something the Democrat party is very much in love with these days. In November 2016, we shall see if that constitutes a majority.

As I was just pointing out to Plant, you sit there having all sorts of intense emotional fantasies about endless victories over shadowy enemies.You guys just come right out and say that your behavior hinges on these fantasies playing in your head. You can recalibrate your fantasies constantly to get this constant sense of victory. Maybe you should just stick to playing with barbies.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby Plantagenet » Sat 21 Nov 2015, 14:29:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.')..playing with barbies.


Aha! Now we know how you spend your time when you're not trolling on peakoil.com :lol:
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Sat 21 Nov 2015, 16:04:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.')..playing with barbies.


Aha! Now we know how you spend your time when you're not trolling on peakoil.com :lol:

.... And we can observe you sticking with your fantasy of upsetting people through intransigent stupidity, as you sit there playing that movie in your head.
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby Cog » Sun 22 Nov 2015, 16:44:04

The latest demands from the BLM at UNC Chapel Hill. LOL. You can't make this stuff up. Must be nice to live in an alternative universe.

http://eagnews.org/black-unc-activists- ... f-demands/

https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.dth/3066 ... ndunco.pdf

A mandatory class for everyone, including staff and administrators, about the “historical racial violence of this University and town …”

The immediate firing of UNC President Margaret Spellings because she allegedly referenced “LGBTQIA+” lifestyles as “those lifestyles.”

Abolishment of all standardized testing and its use in college admissions.

Complete dismantling of “athletics industrial complex” and “exploitation of Black men,” effectively ending the men’s basketball and football programs

That “University cafeterias, gym memberships, libraries, and class registration be free to all residents of North Carolina regardless of admittance into the institution.”

Housing and bathrooms that are not segregated by gender.

Collectively-owned housing projects.

Allowing bums to sleep in the school’s public places.

The abolishment of police, both on campus and off, and the implementation of “transformative justice practices.”

The elimination of all tuition and fees, as well as full financial aid for illegal immigrants.

A $25 an hour minimum wage for all Chapel Hill workers, and full benefits for full, part-time, and contracted employees, and similar wages for UNC administrators.

A $25 per hour salary, with benefits, for student athletes.

Free parking and “Go Passes” for everyone.

“Language justice for all workers,” which means “verbal instructions and communication should be made available in addition to written materials for all workers,” according to the document.

A mandate to hire convicted felons whenever possible.

“Equitable funding” for African American, female, and gender studies programs.

Publishing graduation and dropout rates, as well as admissions data – “disaggregated” by gender, race and class – on UNC’s website.

Investigating why black or other minority students leave UNC.

Unlimited free mental health counseling sessions

Divestment of the UNC Management Company from “private jails, prisons and detention centers; Israeli Apartheid; Coal.”

Cancellation of UNC’s contract with Aramark, the food service provider, because the company is allegedly “deeply invested in the expansion of the prison industrial complex” that’s “criminalizing and caging working class Black people.”

A ban on privatizing student stores.

The cancellation of UNC’s contract with Nike and VF Corporation over “deeply exploitative and abusive track records toward workers.”

A mandate to hire black counselors.

The removal of surveillance cameras on the campus’ “white supremacist monuments.”

Removal of the campus’ “Silent Sam” monument and all other “confederate monuments.”

Restricted space on campus for black students to meet.


A plaque denigrating William Saunders, a UNC alum and KKK member honored for his work on the university’s board of trustees
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby AgentR11 » Sun 22 Nov 2015, 16:57:35

Well, at least it sounds like something typical 18-25 yr old college aged activists would write. About the only thing positive about it, but had to say. Just kids being overly active and politically motivated.

Eventually they graduate, get a job, and decide they don't like paying for someone else's list of demands after all. lol.
Then they show up at the republican primary and vote Cruz!!!!!!
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Re: "safe spaces"

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 22 Nov 2015, 17:01:05

I guess this is supposed to be interesting to the people in South Dakota who were quite convinced that Occupy was going to sneak in their bedroom window and cut their throats in their sleep. It seemed as if there was a fair number of people like that.
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