[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'B')TW Cog, I would bet if the only blacks you ever knew anything about were the guys you served in the military with, your opinion would differ. At least you have this experience, I know you can't really hold this view you are blowing off steam about as a grand truth about black people. 6 on the other hand is one of the most confused, least consolidate people I have ever stumbled across.

[SeaGypsy]

I didn't argue your position but 6' specific declaration that the movement is baseless- clearly bullshit- & you decided to bite.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '.')..From digging into the news on it, it seems to me that they are actually LOOKING for conflict. And that's sad, it's just creating problems where there were none...

[ROCKMAN]

plant - Just trying to lighten the mood on the thread. Obviously didn't do any f@cking good. LOL.

It really boils down simple: there are decent whites, blacks, Asian, Hispanics, liberals, conservatives, cops, black activists, etc.

And there are asshole whites, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, liberals, conservatives, cops, black activists, etc.

Which really means all this anecdotal back and forth is just wasting space on our website IMHO. A website that's supposed to be focused on the energy situation.

[Sixstrings]

This thread is about socialism.

I think I figured it out and that's really the root of it all. It's not even about race. A lot of the "safe spaces" vibe is really like people just wanting to "shut the trolls out" -- so it's a "safe space" from conservative ideas.

Some of the things going on right now in reality, sound like they should be in the Atlas Shrugged novel. That's the feeling I get about it.

It's not really cool, to put socialism into a "safe space" where it can't be questioned and if someone questions liberal and socialist philosophy then they get labeled a racist. And nobody wants to be a racist, racism is repugnant (it honestly is, but what the Left tries to do sometimes is connect race to liberal ideology and then that makes people a racist if they aren't a leftist), so therefore we will all have to be socialists.

I wonder if it would be okay to be a conservative, and talk about conservative ideas, in the "safe spaces."

Personal responsibility. Old fashioned courtesy and values, and respect for teachers and police. And not being a victim all the time and walking around with a list of one's "triggers" -- rather than folk having SELF CONTROL and taking personal responsibility for themselves and not blaming everyone else.

Would all that be okay in the "safe space" or would that get booed right out of there?

edit: but I've ranted enough. I won't keep it up. I've planted my flag down -- I'm someone that got on board with a lot of liberal things but there are just some bridges that are just too far and if I were somehow in the middle of a bunch of crazy kooky far out stuff in Vermont I'd be like vts on this forum and I'd have to be a Republican because that stuff is just gut level crazy to me. There's just something crazy about it, like a cult or something. Like, people can't even clap because that's "a loud noise" yet a safe space leader may turn right around and cuss someone out and then the crowd snaps their fingers rather than clap.

Watch that Yale video, that stuff's crazy.

[PrestonSturges]

This seems like an incredibly weird thing to be obsessed over.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')his seems like an incredibly weird thing to be obsessed over.

[Sixstrings]

And maybe I write too forcefully, honestly this isn't the biggest problem in the whole world. But yet some people have lost their jobs at the demand of student protesters -- like the university president, and the chancelor. They had to resign. And then that girl that lost her job when the protesters called her workplace, that one is worse because she is just a fellow student and not a racist and did nothing wrong -- and the protesters got her fired.

SG says "it's just college students, don't you remember when you were that age?" Actually -- I was a very sensible young Republican back then. I moved left in later years. Back then, I listened to Rush Limbaugh -- I didn't buy into all he said, but I leaned that way. And then a long time ago I stopped listening to Limbaugh, and I never listen to right wing radio. But sometimes if there's something REALLY OVERBOARD crazy loopy left thing going on then I'll listen to Limbaugh just to hear some sanity and common sense.

Yes, there are many things to the left that would be good -- higher wages, universal healthcare etc. But if the "safe spaces" and crazy insane liberalism have to go along with that, then I don't know.

You gotta admit it people, right wing or left wing or in the middle, you gotta admit this stuff is really far out kooky.

They encourage people to NOT have self control. The safe space thing is about "triggers" and people talking about their triggers. This is a ideology of actual mental illness -- PTSD, and anxiety disorders. It shouldn't be promoted, triggers are not something that people are supposed to be wanting to have. Therapy is about getting beyond "triggers" -- we shouldn't actually be *encouraging* "triggers," that's nuts.

edit: again, I don't mean to make a huge thing about this, you all know it's just how I write, like it's a bunch of drama and I can make a strong case about something even if it's the cost of a gallon of milk.

But I'm not alone, that yale video is a viral video and the whole topic is a major discussion right now. Many on the Left are not comfy with it, they talk about free speech issues.

BOTTOM LINE -- university leaders need to get a backbone and they can't just all resign every time students demand it. AND -- it was wrong for that girl to lose her job just because she criticized BLM and I read what she posted and I know a racist when I see one and she's not.

And it was on twitter, it had nothing to do with her job, and all she did was criticize BLM for saying they should get more attention than the Paris attacks. And then she linked a washington times article -- and then people on twitter actually called this woman's job and got her fired. And they want her expelled from school as well, and the dean said no.

It's not right. You can't harass people in the name of love, wake up folks.

[Plantagenet]

The President of Princeton University just capitulated to BLM and has agreed to wipe Woodrow Wilson's name from all Princeton buildings etc. because Woodrow Wilson once belonged to the D party in the south, when the KKK was strong there, and so is not "PC".

I'm sure it won't stop with erasing Woodrow Wilson from history.

How can BLM find their "safe space" in the US as long as the names of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are honored---they both were slaveholders.

[Cog]

Back when I was going to college in the early 70's and then again in the mid-80's there were student protests for one thing or the other. They were peaceful and no one lost their job. Everyone's opinion was heard and we went on. What is going on now, is the politics of personal destruction if you don't buy into what the protestors are demanding.

The First Amendment is about hearing all opinions even ones you violently disagree with.

[Cog]

@Plant

Sorry to hear that. The demands will now accelerate into a whole new level. Erasing names from building walls. Man, this seems very familiar. Didn't ISIS and the Taliban do exactly the same thing when they destroyed centuries old statues?

Just remembered this one:

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I remember here when I defending keeping the Confederate flag as part of the Southern heritage, I was called a racist. It is precisely why we need those symbols preserved, to remind of us of our history. Digging up old dead guys, destroying monuments, and removing flags is exactly the wrong way of going about things. We need those remembrances of our history so we can move forward to being better people than we were before.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'A')nd maybe I write too forcefully, honestly this isn't the biggest problem in the whole world. But yet some people have lost their jobs at the demand of student protesters -- like the university president, and the chancelor. They had to resign. And then that girl that lost her job when the protesters called her workplace, that one is worse because she is just a fellow student and not a racist and did nothing wrong -- and the protesters got her fired.

SG says "it's just college students, don't you remember when you were that age?" Actually -- I was a very sensible young Republican back then. I moved left in later years. Back then, I listened to Rush Limbaugh -- I didn't buy into all he said, but I leaned that way. And then a long time ago I stopped listening to Limbaugh, and I never listen to right wing radio. But sometimes if there's something REALLY OVERBOARD crazy loopy left thing going on then I'll listen to Limbaugh just to hear some sanity and common sense.

Yes, there are many things to the left that would be good -- higher wages, universal healthcare etc. But if the "safe spaces" and crazy insane liberalism have to go along with that, then I don't know.

You gotta admit it people, right wing or left wing or in the middle, you gotta admit this stuff is really far out kooky.

They encourage people to NOT have self control. The safe space thing is about "triggers" and people talking about their triggers. This is a ideology of actual mental illness -- PTSD, and anxiety disorders. It shouldn't be promoted, triggers are not something that people are supposed to be wanting to have. Therapy is about getting beyond "triggers" -- we shouldn't actually be *encouraging* "triggers," that's nuts.

[Cog]

@Preston

Do you believe people should be forced to resign or otherwise harassed for their first amendment viewpoints?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')his seems like an incredibly weird thing to be obsessed over.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '[')b]@Preston

Do you believe people should be forced to resign or otherwise harassed for their first amendment viewpoints?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '�')��He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I remember here when I defending keeping the Confederate flag as part of the Southern heritage, I was called a racist. It is precisely why we need those symbols preserved, to remind of us of our history. Digging up old dead guys, destroying monuments, and removing flags is exactly the wrong way of going about things. We need those remembrances of our history so we can move forward to being better people than we were before.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ll this conservative "concern" isn't about improving colleges, it's about dismantling the system so they build sports stadiums and give money to their cronies.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')his seems like an incredibly weird thing to be obsessed over.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'M')eh, go read "The Eternal Jew" and you'll quickly recognize that these are the antisemitic scripts of the 1920's when the jews were supposedly suppressing white peoples (back before Jews were "white") freedom of speech. Same scripts, word for word.

[Cog]

The left always resorts to the same deal. Call them Nazi's or KKK, or just racists. Anyone who wants the First Amendment to actually mean what it says.