[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')o put it bluntly, we surrendered America, and buried her, over a body count lower than what we kill on the highways in a few months just being stupid.

[onlooker]

Thought I would provide this quote from author George Orwell "The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact."

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'P')lant what difference does it make what it's called?

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'P')lant what difference does it make what it's called?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')o put it bluntly, we surrendered America, and buried her, over a body count lower than what we kill on the highways in a few months just being stupid.

[onlooker]

Actually a good point Plant about Orwell in that language was a tool of control and it is referred to as doublespeak. For example the Ministry of Peace was actually the Ministry of War. So yes I concur that this euphemism on the War on Terror is a sly move. On the other hand another tool of control is fear and certainly War on Terror inspires more fear then overseas contingency operations?"

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')
1984 was about constant militaristic triumphalism, fear, hatred, propaganda, torture, and a world reduced to slogans where dissent become impossible.

[Apneaman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n actuality the O administration is continuing and even expanding the Bush War on Terror.

[Cog]

This thread is a good example of why no one takes climate doomers seriously.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')
1984 was about constant militaristic triumphalism, fear, hatred, propaganda, torture, and a world reduced to slogans where dissent become impossible.

[onlooker]

AP thanks as usual for the great links. I provide some of my own to false flags incidents perpetuated by the US. US by the way is not the only country that has engaged in false flag operations. http://theantimedia.org/5-confirmed-fal ... perations/

So AP links are a primer to showcase the fact that the War on Terrorism has been nourished and it's flames fanned by US covert operations and by the barrage of Media coverage that incessantly reports on it.

[kanon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')his thread is a good example of why no one takes climate doomers seriously.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')
1984 was about constant militaristic triumphalism, fear, hatred, propaganda, torture, and a world reduced to slogans where dissent become impossible.

[Cog]

So false flags will be blamed on the following people. Correct me if I get this wrong.

a) Israel
b) Bush
c) Big Oil
d) All of the above?
e) NRA
f) Americans who stick to their guns and religion (which, in light of recent events, is really ironic because that excuse really does apply to certain devotees of one, particular, faith from the middle east right now)
g) Tea Party members
h) American gun stores located on America's borders with Mexico
i) Americans who are afraid of toddlers and orphans
j) U.S. Military members (both past and present)

[Newfie]

There are false flags, and then there is terrorism. But I'n not sure that is the right way to think about IS.

As I said above, the seeds of terrorisim lie in each of us.
When some dumb shit says something really stupid in a meeting you just want to reach over and smack him. But you don't. Seeds of aggression. If you did you would be locked up.
When some well arranged young lady bounces down the street in yoga pants you want to reach out touch someone. But you don't. Seeds of lust. If you did you would locked up.

IS is a place where folks who can not stifle the urge to act out aggression and anger are permitted to have their fantasy. I believe that, for right or wrong, they are full of anger at our society, and frankly members of their own religion who do not adhere to their own narrow belief set. They do not stifle their urges but give them full energy.

My understanding is that IS followers view their role as an existential war with all others. I think few here in America see it that way. We are protected and from our position of safety we seek rational answers and explanation.

It does not matter that we Americans (or Germans or...) do not see this an an existential war, IS does. In the here and now, confronted with humans who are acting on homicidal urges, does it matter how we got here?

Allowing IS to exist, spreading their propaganda, glorifying their perceived successes is just an add campaign for the disaffected who have not yet crossed into becoming an jihadist. It gives the nutter a place to go and act out.

Once someone has crossed that line, has professed allegiance to IS or affiliates or similar radical groups, there is but one way to deal with them. With extreme prejudice, no question of reconciliation or redemption. Deciding exactly who has crossed that line is difficult and surely some poor innocents will die in the grey zone.

For some reason the silly image that goes through my head is from Indiana Jones. In Egypt he is confronted with a rather large and swarthy man. Jones snaps his whip at the guy, who in response takes out his saber and flashes it around in a magnificent display of swordsmanship. So Jones pulls out his revolver and ploinks him dead. I understand that Ford did that on the set as a joke but it worked and was kept in. Why? Because it was the rational decision. It made sense. Anything else would have been silly.

[Shaved Monkey]

Cog sending up a false flag

False flags come from both ends of the political spectrum

“The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened”.
– Josef Stalin

“Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death”.
– Adolph Hitler

[kanon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o false flags will be blamed on the following people. Correct me if I get this wrong.
. . .
<list of GOP sponsors and fools>

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')
1984 was about constant militaristic triumphalism, fear, hatred, propaganda, torture, and a world reduced to slogans where dissent become impossible.

[Fishman]

"backdrop for an endless war" read the second half of the Koran, you nailed it, you just don't understand the cause.

[Shaved Monkey]

All religions love a good Apocalypse.
Keeps the faithful in line

We are all here because of the fear of the Zombie Apocalypse