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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:25:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I') understand the second amendment was made when people carried around a single shot musket. Times change, laws change accordingly. That's why the Constitution is open to amendment.


Then get your buddies together and get it done. I hear a lot of whining about the 2nd Amendment but I see no action on the part of the left to truly fix the perceived problem.

By the way, the men of that day were all armed with single shot muskets whether they were farmers, militia, or a member of the standing army. As a citizen now in 2015, I am armed with the same weapon the military and police use(just no happy switch :( ). I don't see a problem from a constitutional point of view.


When it comes to our military every citizen today is out gunned. I believe as far as Constitutnal change that is what a great many people are working on.


Not as outgunned as you might imagine. Quantity has a quality all of its own. Do you even insurgency bro? Seems like to me our military still has their hands full dealing with Hadji over in Afghanistan and they aren't even as well armed as many are in the US.

Good luck getting that Constitutional convention going with mostly Republican governors and state legislatures. You'll need it.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby yellowcanoe » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:31:31

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Maybe we could set up a "drug registry" and require people who buy drugs to pass a federal review like we do for gun purchases.


There's a fundamental difference between drug deaths and firearm deaths. The people dying from drugs made a conscious choice to consume the drug whereas no one (other than those committing suicide) chooses to be killed with a firearm. That's why owning a gun needs to be considered a privilege that can be taken away and not as a right.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:34:45

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Maybe we could set up a "drug registry" and require people who buy drugs to pass a federal review like we do for gun purchases.


There's a fundamental difference between drug deaths and firearm deaths. The people dying from drugs made a conscious choice to consume the drug whereas no one (other than those committing suicide) chooses to be killed with a firearm. That's why owning a gun needs to be considered a privilege that can be taken away and not as a right.


What part of shall not be infringed do you not understand? Even SCOTUS in the Heller decision has ruled that the right to bear arms is an individual right.

I can see right now I am going to have to hold a high school civics class right here on this board since most of you skipped that day or were stoned out of your gourd when the US Constitution was discussed.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Pops » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:49:06

and so we get into the talking points of why only the good hard working god-fearing guys get ahead and why everyone else is a loser/heathen.

no wonder conservatives whites are offing themselves
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Newfie » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 15:24:50

Cog is arguing from the position of a religious zealot, a biblical literalist, except his bible is the constitution.

He has no ability to think outside the bounds prescribed by his religion. MSM the is no point debating.

The fact is often find myself agreeing with his positions, but with entirely different reasons.

The pity is, when pushed, he can and does present well thought out ideas, provided the outcome supports his core belief system. But hiding behind the constitution gets tiresome.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 15:30:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'a')nd so we get into the talking points of why only the good hard working god-fearing guys get ahead and why everyone else is a loser/heathen.

no wonder conservatives whites are offing themselves


I would have to generalize here but I would maintain that the good hard working god-fearing guys generally have better success at life than their lazy and shiftless atheist peers. Your results may vary depending on who you hang out with.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 15:33:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'C')og is arguing from the position of a religious zealot, a biblical literalist, except his bible is the constitution.

He has no ability to think outside the bounds prescribed by his religion. MSM the is no point debating.

The fact is often find myself agreeing with his positions, but with entirely different reasons.

The pity is, when pushed, he can and does present well thought out ideas, provided the outcome supports his core belief system. But hiding behind the constitution gets tiresome.


Yes I am forced to be a literalist when it comes to the US Constitution. Because apart from the law, we would then rely on feelings, and fairness, the rule of the mob, polls, and other vague ideas to govern our self. Already the courts have wavered far into the territory of feelings and end results type legal interpretations. There lies considerable danger to the Republic going down that road.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 15:37:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I') understand the second amendment was made when people carried around a single shot musket. Times change, laws change accordingly. That's why the Constitution is open to amendment.


Then get your buddies together and get it done. I hear a lot of whining about the 2nd Amendment but I see no action on the part of the left to truly fix the perceived problem
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 15:40:25

Go watch MSNBC or attend a Bernie Sanders rally. You will see thousands of them.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Oneaboveall » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 16:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'C')og is arguing from the position of a religious zealot, a biblical literalist, except his bible is the constitution.

He has no ability to think outside the bounds prescribed by his religion...

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 16:36:46

Cool pic. I have some new wallpaper.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Newfie » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 16:58:00

Cog,

I admire your honesty even if I disagree with your bedrock position.

But I find that, although I'm an atheist, I Can agree with some orthodox views. Just come to the same view point from a different perspective.

I do NOT share your belief in the Constitution as a holy document. I prefer to think for myself thank you.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 17:10:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'C')og,

I admire your honesty even if I disagree with your bedrock position.

But I find that, although I'm an atheist, I Can agree with some orthodox views. Just come to the same view point from a different perspective.

I do NOT share your belief in the Constitution as a holy document. I prefer to think for myself thank you.


You don't have to worship it, you merely live under its benign benevolence like the rest of us Americans. The Constitution, whether you agree with it or not, was designed to be the supreme law of the land for the United States. Provisions were written into it that bar the federal government from intruding into areas concerning individual liberties. It was a compromise document forged between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists. I would have sided with the more Anti-Federalists sentiments if I were writing it. Within its constraints, you are free to do that you wish and believe what you wish.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby careinke » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 17:32:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nnual drug deaths in US now outnumber shooting deaths or car accident victims
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Something needs to be done about the rapidly rising numbers of drug deaths.

Maybe we could set up a "drug registry" and require people who buy drugs to pass a federal review like we do for gun purchases.


What a brilliant piece of sarcasm, well done! :-D It was sarcasm right? Right??? :?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 18:03:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nnual drug deaths in US now outnumber shooting deaths or car accident victims
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Something needs to be done about the rapidly rising numbers of drug deaths.

Maybe we could set up a "drug registry" and require people who buy drugs to pass a federal review like we do for gun purchases.


What a brilliant piece of sarcasm, well done! :-D It was sarcasm right? Right??? :?


THANKS! Yes, I was being a little snarky there. You are a very perceptive guy, Care.

Have a fantastic weekend.

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby PrestonSturges » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 20:43:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'C')og is arguing from the position of a religious zealot, a biblical literalist, except his bible is the constitution.

He has no ability to think outside the bounds prescribed by his religion...

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Newfie » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 21:52:58

Cog,

Yes, I'm free to think as I wish, but that's because of my free mind, not the constitution.

Go in peace.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Revi » Sat 14 Nov 2015, 22:04:10

Maybe the idea was to kill off all these people before they get to Medicaid. It's a hard, long road from 45-54. You are nowhere near retirement, you have your first real health crises, and you are getting to the point where you can't get another job very easily. You feel roped in. I can see where people get depressed. I am a tiny bit older than the target demographic, but I feel it too. We are really making it hard for people to get through this time period. Remember we don't have a guarantee of anything in the US any more. They are taking pensions away, so even the carrot on the stick is being eaten up. Anyway, that's my rant for today. What do you think?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby PrestonSturges » Sun 15 Nov 2015, 02:20:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'M')aybe the idea was to kill off all these people before they get to Medicaid. It's a hard, long road from 45-54. You are nowhere near retirement, you have your first real health crises, and you are getting to the point where you can't get another job very easily. You feel roped in. I can see where people get depressed. I am a tiny bit older than the target demographic, but I feel it too. We are really making it hard for people to get through this time period. Remember we don't have a guarantee of anything in the US any more. They are taking pensions away, so even the carrot on the stick is being eaten up. Anyway, that's my rant for today. What do you think?

I told my mother about this issue several years ago. She lives in a retirement town in FL and she said she knew several friends of hers whose adult children had died. Mostly it's hopelessness and overdosing, but at the time no doubt it was also middle aged people with no health insurance.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Sun 15 Nov 2015, 08:55:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'M')aybe the idea was to kill off all these people before they get to Medicaid. It's a hard, long road from 45-54. You are nowhere near retirement, you have your first real health crises, and you are getting to the point where you can't get another job very easily. You feel roped in. I can see where people get depressed. I am a tiny bit older than the target demographic, but I feel it too. We are really making it hard for people to get through this time period. Remember we don't have a guarantee of anything in the US any more. They are taking pensions away, so even the carrot on the stick is being eaten up. Anyway, that's my rant for today. What do you think?

I told my mother about this issue several years ago. She lives in a retirement town in FL and she said she knew several friends of hers whose adult children had died. Mostly it's hopelessness and overdosing, but at the time no doubt it was also middle aged people with no health insurance.


If you have no health insurance isn't that the time to watch your diet, exercise regularly, and avoid high risk behavior like drugs? I swear I don't understand my own species sometimes.
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