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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 18:51:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'o')r poor education standards has led them to their self destructive lifestyles politically and physically


People are always ready to play the victim when most of the blame for their lot in life falls squarely on themselves.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 19:11:43

Chicken and the egg

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 20:23:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'C')hicken and the egg

Privilege is like bad breath everyone can smell it except the people who have it.


Privilege is a word used by the left to criticize those who have studied the capitalist system and have worked hard to exploit it to their benefit. I see no reason to apologize for my success or those others who don't sit on their butt waiting for someone to give them a hand-out.

This board used to be about self-sufficiency and making do in a post-peak world. Somewhere the idea has crept in that we are all victims and only the government can save us from whatever pitiful state we are in.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 20:48:39

I like my privilege; I have plenty of it. Just being born within the borders of the US yields immense amounts of privilege regardless of race; and I undoubtedly have plenty of it even on top of that.

There is nothing to apologize for. I am grateful, not apologetic, not embarrassed in the slightest.

I intend to, and have used it for every last inch of profit I can acquire.
And I intend to leverage it for every single advantage I can acquire for my kid.

The bottleneck will not be more gentle with you and yours simply because you had a liberal moment professing your rejection of privilege.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 20:53:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'C')hicken and the egg

Privilege is like bad breath everyone can smell it except the people who have it.


Privilege is a word used by the left to criticize those who have studied the capitalist system and have worked hard to exploit it to their benefit. I see no reason to apologize for my success or those others who don't sit on their butt waiting for someone to give them a hand-out.

This board used to be about self-sufficiency and making do in a post-peak world. Somewhere the idea has crept in that we are all victims and only the government can save us from whatever pitiful state we are in.


Well there is some of that.

But there is also people crying foul.

Kinda like those old guys who started the revolution and wrote the constitution. They didn't like their masters either. They did a whole lot of jabbering, for many years, befor they got it together to do something.

Unless you are saying they were wrong for defying their King?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 21:15:15

Those old guys were not crying foul because there were rich people in the world. Most of them were men of education and some degree of wealth. They wanted a country where the rule of law was supreme and the citizenry was left alone to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness on their own terms. The whining I see now is from the left who want to engage in confiscation of wealth and some sort of redistribution to the poor. That is nothing like what the Founders had in mind.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 22:42:01

Then what was the Boston Tea Party about?

You know what makes "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" a reality?

Dough, moola, cash.

It's ALL about money, and sex.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 00:59:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')hose old guys were not crying foul because there were rich people in the world. Most of them were men of education and some degree of wealth. They wanted a country where the rule of law was supreme and the citizenry was left alone to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness on their own terms. The whining I see now is from the left who want to engage in confiscation of wealth and some sort of redistribution to the poor. That is nothing like what the Founders had in mind.
Oh the Founders did a lot of redistributing from the poor to the rich, the poor being the Indians, slaves, and indentured servants.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 04:57:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'C')hicken and the egg

Privilege is like bad breath everyone can smell it except the people who have it.


Privilege is a word used by the left to criticize those who have studied the capitalist system and have worked hard to exploit it to their benefit. I see no reason to apologize for my success or those others who don't sit on their butt waiting for someone to give them a hand-out.

This board used to be about self-sufficiency and making do in a post-peak world. Somewhere the idea has crept in that we are all victims and only the government can save us from whatever pitiful state we are in.

If you read the article these people believe the Republicans will make it better....lol
These people in Kentucky are living in a post PO world they are ahead of the curve.
They are the future,no work,virtually no money,most have no utilities because they cant afford them,they have to scrape through on their resourcefulness,they are being self sufficient and making do to the best of their abilities.
Most still believe its their fault or the governments fault and somehow capitalism and the Republicans will save them and the American dream is still achievable.
The rest have given up and are trying to not think about it and using what ever method they can to lessen the pain of their reality.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 05:06:41

Its not just the US
The poor in the UK can live 20 years less than the rich

'Shocking' inequality levels in Britain must be addressed, says John Major

Former Conservative prime minister wants to see greater concentration on people failed by the system
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')“Policymakers must understand how hard it is to escape from such circumstances.
It is not inertia that keeps the unemployed immobile: it is simply that, without help, they are trapped.”

Turning to the role of the benefits system, he said: “Let us cast aside a common misconception. Everyone out of work is not an idler.

“Everyone in receipt of benefits is not a scrounger.
Of course idlers and scroungers exist – and governments are entirely right to root out the cheats who rip off the taxpayer.
But the focus must not be only on those who abuse the system; we need equal concentration on those who are failed by the system.”


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')escribing poverty as being “not only about empty pockets”, Major described contemporary Britain as one in which the lifespan of the poorest in some major cities was 20 years shorter than those of the most wealthy.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... in-britain
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:18:51

Maybe it is the British cuisine that is killing them. But more than likely that like the US poor people abuse tobacco and alcohol more than their more well off counterparts.

Bad life decisions kill people more than any government neglect.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:25:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')hose old guys were not crying foul because there were rich people in the world. Most of them were men of education and some degree of wealth. They wanted a country where the rule of law was supreme and the citizenry was left alone to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness on their own terms. The whining I see now is from the left who want to engage in confiscation of wealth and some sort of redistribution to the poor. That is nothing like what the Founders had in mind.
Oh the Founders did a lot of redistributing from the poor to the rich, the poor being the Indians, slaves, and indentured servants.


Right, it was Liberty for ME.

No doubt there were men of high ideals. But there were also scoundrels.

It's not right to treat the Constitution as a literal religious tract. It needs interpretation especially within changing times.

The country was set up to be run by a ruling class and then others wanted a piece of the pie. Like non land owners, blacks, and women.

Some of the previous argument sounds like longing for the good old days of exceptional privilege when you had to be a well off white guy to vote.

There will always be bums and scoundrels, rich and poor. They need to be called out for what they are and dealt with appropriatly. They also need to be differentiated from the disadvantaged and brilliant who also require special recognition.

Not always as simple as it seems.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:32:15

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Maybe you skipped that day when they covered that point in high school civics. It does explain why you don't understand the 2nd Amendment though from our previous discussions about that topic.
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Unread postby Lore » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 10:43:06

I understand the second amendment was made when people carried around a single shot musket. Times change, laws change accordingly. That's why the Constitution is open to amendment.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 13:00:11

Annual drug deaths in US now outnumber shooting deaths or car accident victims

dea-drug-overdoses-kill-more-americans-car-crashes-or-firearms

Something needs to be done about the rapidly rising numbers of drug deaths.

Maybe we could set up a "drug registry" and require people who buy drugs to pass a federal review like we do for gun purchases.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Pops » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 13:24:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') like my privilege; I have plenty of it. Just being born within the borders of the US yields immense amounts of privilege regardless of race; and I undoubtedly have plenty of it even on top of that.

There is nothing to apologize for. I am grateful, not apologetic, not embarrassed in the slightest.

I think conservatives once had a similar view. Now it is more "I hit a triple and you struck out" – isn't that Trumps view?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:07:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Maybe you skipped that day when they covered that point in high school civics. It does explain why you don't understand the 2nd Amendment though from our previous discussions about that topic.



Laws are made by man.

I have the self determined liberty to think for myself, not just parrot some high school civics class dictum.

Freedom and liberty starts with your brain, well exercised.

Don't confuse caustic with truth.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:12:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I') understand the second amendment was made when people carried around a single shot musket. Times change, laws change accordingly. That's why the Constitution is open to amendment.


Then get your buddies together and get it done. I hear a lot of whining about the 2nd Amendment but I see no action on the part of the left to truly fix the perceived problem.

By the way, the men of that day were all armed with single shot muskets whether they were farmers, militia, or a member of the standing army. As a citizen now in 2015, I am armed with the same weapon the military and police use(just no happy switch :( ). I don't see a problem from a constitutional point of view.
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Unread postby Cog » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:16:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Maybe you skipped that day when they covered that point in high school civics. It does explain why you don't understand the 2nd Amendment though from our previous discussions about that topic.



Laws are made by man.

I have the self determined liberty to think for myself, not just parrot some high school civics class dictum.

Freedom and liberty starts with your brain, well exercised.

Don't confuse caustic with truth.


Laws are indeed made by man. But they must fit within the boundaries set forth in the US Constitution. I'm certain this was covered in your high school. How did you pass the Constitution test in high school without learning this? As I told Lore, if you don'
t like the Constitution, then get your leftist buddies together and get it amended to your liking. In the meantime, deal with it.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Unread postby Lore » Fri 13 Nov 2015, 14:21:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I') understand the second amendment was made when people carried around a single shot musket. Times change, laws change accordingly. That's why the Constitution is open to amendment.


Then get your buddies together and get it done. I hear a lot of whining about the 2nd Amendment but I see no action on the part of the left to truly fix the perceived problem.

By the way, the men of that day were all armed with single shot muskets whether they were farmers, militia, or a member of the standing army. As a citizen now in 2015, I am armed with the same weapon the military and police use(just no happy switch :( ). I don't see a problem from a constitutional point of view.


When it comes to our military every citizen today is out gunned. I believe as far as Constitutnal change that is what a great many people are working on.
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