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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Newfie » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 08:42:15

HVAC,
My observations and yours are similar, except I tend to see it more among engineers. I started as a tech, then worked as a maintenance super, then as construction Project Manager/Engineer before moving into design. My whole life has been learning. That and working outside of my comfort zone.

But I see many others who, while competent within their self define specialty, are rigidly stuck there. It is one of the biggest challenges of our company, finding interdisciplinary folks. Another way of saying that is most folks want a safe and routine job, they have no zeal for learning or a challenge.

I'm reminded of this daily in a current project I am working. We have a well known manufacturer as a sub, there is a bit of an unusual design requirement that requires some digging into a set of very bad as asbuilts to replace a control system. Working under 2 days a week I've been able to keep ahead, well ahead, of their team. Simply astounding. I'm not that smart, I've just put some energy and thought into the project. Their folks, mid career and older, are seemingly just unable to move out of a manufacturing product development mode into a trouble shooting, problem resolution mode. If they haven't done it before they can't do it.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 14:17:39

Giv e it up pops, Obamacare is a complete disaster. I understand as a Democrat that you will come to Oba8ma's defense whenever possible though you should be intellectually sound when you do so

why should you care how much profit an insurance company makes? are you a stockholder or the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield?

just because you made bad decisions in life and can't afford insurance without stealing from my wallet doesn't make that my personal problem
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Newfie » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 14:41:54

One has to wonder, since all other developed nations have a better/cheaper system why don't we just find one of them and emulate it.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 14:46:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')ne has to wonder, since all other developed nations have a better/cheaper system why don't we just find one of them and emulate it.


because America is not the rest of the world. if you don't like the healthcare system here why don't you move there?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Pops » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 14:51:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')ne has to wonder, since all other developed nations have a better/cheaper system why don't we just find one of them and emulate it.

Republicans.

Split between the "I'm rich and don't need government" owners
and the "as long as someone is worse off than me I'm not the biggest loser" losers
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 17:06:20

It's heartwarming that Cog is retiring to an area where he can gloat as he watches other white republicans dying of poverty and neglect.

The difference between Cog and the guy in this picture is that the little rat bastard in the photo probably at least has loyalty to his own group.

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 17:42:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')t's heartwarming that Cog is retiring to an area where he can gloat as he watches other white republicans dying of poverty and neglect.

The difference between Cog and the guy in this picture is that the little rat bastard in the photo probably at least has loyalty to his own group.

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Perhaps instead of sitting around moaning about their lot in life, they should have prepared for the future. It is not all that difficult even if you are poor. But I hear you, we need more government, more taxes, and lets go after those disgusting rich people while we are at it. :lol:
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Newfie » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 18:03:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')t's heartwarming that Cog is retiring to an area where he can gloat as he watches other white republicans dying of poverty and neglect.

The difference between Cog and the guy in this picture is that the little rat bastard in the photo probably at least has loyalty to his own group.

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Perhaps instead of sitting around moaning about their lot in life, they should have prepared for the future. It is not all that difficult even if you are poor. But I hear you, we need more government, more taxes, and lets go after those disgusting rich people while we are at it. :lol:


So you agree with Plant that we should have a single payer health care system!

Funny, I thought the Republicans and Libitarians were dead against it. :?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Newfie » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 18:05:47

Cog,
It always amazes me that you and I agree on quite a lot. Except perhaps the delivery.

Guess I'm just a wuss. :razz:
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby AgentR11 » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 18:27:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')ne has to wonder, since all other developed nations have a better/cheaper system why don't we just find one of them and emulate it.


Because any of the other countries systems really obliterate the income streams of primary doner groups of each party.

Namely.
Health care professionals.... aka greedy doctors.
Malpractice system support... aka greedy lawyers. (inc attorneys for insurance companies, pharma, etc, the whole chain)

One (or both) of those groups gets annihilated no matter how you layout one of those plans.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 20:43:43

Better donate if you want to make America great again.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 20:57:12

Will it trickle down?
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 20:58:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'W')ill it trickle down?


Hopefully not.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 22:44:22

NPR just broadcast a report detailing how the use of synthetic marijuana---known as "spike"..... is exploding in the US.

surge-in-use-of-synthetic-marijuana

Calls to poison centers have doubled in last year. Use of "spike" is growing rapidly among the same population of middle aged drug users who have contributed to the surge in death rates seen nationally.

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 11 Nov 2015, 22:59:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f you look at the unsubsidized buyers of Obamacare their 2016 rate increase is 3x (300%) more then the 3.6% number.


unsubsidized buyers of Obamacare = unicorn that shits rainbows

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 00:30:30

Heres another drug epidemic affecting aging boomers. More people are smoking synthetic marijuana (aka spike)--- and more people are dying

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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 16:39:12

Here is a quite eyeopening story in the Guardian today.
No jobs, no hope, poor white folks who are trying to survive on a pittance and self medicating to obliterate their reality, while still voting Republican.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')America's poorest white town: abandoned by coal, swallowed by drugs

In the first of a series of dispatches from the US’s poorest communities, we visit Beattyville, Kentucky, blighted by a lack of jobs and addiction to ‘hillbilly heroin’



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... rest-towns
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 17:25:50

Good news for Beatyville KY. Hillary has just proposed a 30 billion program to build new infrastructure and retrain coal mine workers who lose their jobs as the coal mines are shut down by the EPA.

hillary-clinton-coal-country-economy-

Once Hillary is elected this new program will help people in Beatyville and other coal mining areas who have been hurt by the EPAs new restrictions on coal mining to get retrained as IT workers, rock climbing guides, and other useful professions. Hopefully it will also include money for clinics to help people get off Hillbilly heroin and other drugs so they are capable of working at a job again. :)
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Cog » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 17:32:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'H')ere is a quite eyeopening story in the Guardian today.
No jobs, no hope, poor white folks who are trying to survive on a pittance and self medicating to obliterate their reality, while still voting Republican.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')America's poorest white town: abandoned by coal, swallowed by drugs

In the first of a series of dispatches from the US’s poorest communities, we visit Beattyville, Kentucky, blighted by a lack of jobs and addiction to ‘hillbilly heroin’



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... rest-towns


And the ex-governor who was a Democrat and Obama the Democrat did so very much for those poor people. :lol: Maybe they are voting Republican because they are sick of the Dem policies that landed them in a bad spot.
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Re: Study shows white Americans dying at high rate.

Postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 12 Nov 2015, 17:54:43

or poor education standards has led them to their self destructive lifestyles politically and physically
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