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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 23 Nov 2014, 08:36:02

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What people fear is the same awareness they've had before they were born. Which was nothing. Going back into the great void puts humans in denial of said state.


Lore, you bring up a fundamental point that actually explains consumption and the entire human artificial landscape we have created. Within the complex civilization we have created lies endless distractions that keep us occupied in order not to think about this great void. Take artificial lighting at night that worldwide blocks the heavens for billions of humans living in urban or suburban areas. Blocking out infinity with artificial lights creates a myopic boundary that keeps modern humans tethered to their man made worlds, prevents a nightly reminder that we are a speck on a speck on a speck on a speck. That each and every one of us, even our species as a whole, is of no significance or meaning beyond the life force that we carry in this briefest of moments before we go back to that infinite space before we were born.

We have created an artificial world that blocks out reminders of this in order not to think about it.

When I was a kid I would sleep outdoors with friends or go out of my tent on wilderness trips and marvel at the infinity of space with a sense of adventure that was a great elixir for the soul. It's funny, now when I look at the heavens on a new moon night I sometimes feel so overwhelmed and frightened now that I am older. Even with a lifetime of exploring the boundaries with a sense of adventure I must confess that as I age this void can still strike a terror in my soul.

Being a sentient human aware of your mortality is not easy and we should have compassion for whatever devices or religions folks lean on to deal with this. The problem we really have today is that none of our religious institutions are stepping up to the plate and offering much of any wisdom in regards to dealing with the consequences of overshoot. Since this Big Correction we are going through this century is an existential one we need spiritual and religious wisdom that helps us move from denial to a deeper spiritual understanding.

Will the consequences of overshoot germinate new religious thought that will help create a new spiritual framework and narrative for humanity?
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sun 23 Nov 2014, 11:40:24

As I spend this week OTG, I am connecting with the infinite. I have no fear and find only peace in nature.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby Ibon » Sun 23 Nov 2014, 15:10:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'A')s I spend this week OTG, I am connecting with the infinite. I have no fear and find only peace in nature.


GoghGoner, We live off the grid on 400 acres of cloud forest that directly border over a million acres of La Amistad NP here in Central America. There are no artificial lights here in this valley except what our micro hydro pelton wheel produces. . Here are some pics I took the other night

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There are moments that you can embrace the space and infinity and accept your tiny insignificance. There are other moments it is sheer anguish. Buddhism does say much about the nature of human existence is suffering. This is not because of hunger or disease. This is referring to the conundrum of our sentient mortal existence. To have the courage to stare this down allows you to unhinge from materialism. But it does not make the suffering any less. When I was young and in warrior mode and I saw my long life ahead I was able to shake off this conundrum with sheer adrenalin. As I have aged I have become more sorrowful over the nature of this mortal existence. Even with meditation etc.

No one is exempt. Denial only enhances the suffering. But even accepting it does not make it go away.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby GoghGoner » Mon 24 Nov 2014, 12:51:17

A quark contains a universe? A universe contains a quark? Through all things ever larger and ever smaller, we are all part of the infinite.

Those photos are awesome, Ibon.

NEW THEORY SUGGESTS PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO RELIGION FOR 16 REASONS

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese basic human needs – which include honor, idealism, curiosity and acceptance – can explain why certain people are attracted to religion, why God images express psychologically opposite qualities, and the relationship between personality and religious experiences.

Previous psychologists tried to explain religion in terms of just one or two overarching psychological needs. The most common reason they cite is that people embrace religion because of a fear of death, as expressed in the saying ‘there are no atheists in foxholes,” Reiss said.

“But religion is multi-faceted – it can’t be reduced to just one or two desires.”
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 25 Nov 2014, 01:48:05

Religions exist because the human mind is both rational and irrational.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 16 Feb 2015, 19:21:51

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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 05 Mar 2015, 14:26:16

Just resurrecting a dormant thread. My opinion on Religion throughout history is that is has had a pernicious and divisive effect. Having said that I cannot discount the potential it has for good or that belief in God affords me inner peace. Religion can unite us under a banner of awe and humility before the universe and the infinite. I do not know if it can really play a role in a transition from the TUMULTUOUS events to come this century. We must separate our destiny as a species on this planet and our destiny as mortal beings. Yet we can find our "mission" in life this century if we can all agree that our species is worth fighting for and not allowing to become extinct. This does not involve religion in any traditional sense of the word. It involves us all deciding that we are worth it. It involves wishing to live for something other then one's immediate survival or self-gratification. So in that sense the meme or narrative of humans going forward will be the worship of life as opposed to death; survival as opposed to extinction. If we wish to label that a religious belief then so be it.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 05 Mar 2015, 18:35:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') would not normally opinionate on this subject. However my wife and I have recently befriended an entire family/commune (I mean a GIANT family) of really interesting Creationist Catholics. Like very modern, quite comfortable, very non-nonviolent Amishers. I don't know what to do?

A few points to consider:
Unlike the Amish are they likely to go Zombie because they need oil and cant raise their own barns?
Can the sin of eating you be absolved by a few hail marys ?
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 05 Mar 2015, 20:14:52

I'm open to spirituality, but I don't really believe in any one particular story, and I find religions in general fascinating in an anthropological/sociological/psychological sense. There are numerous interesting documentaries and courses online that I could spend a lot of time with. I've been watching this lady for 3 lectures recently. She's pretty interesting although there are better courses.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby aldente » Fri 13 Mar 2015, 14:42:09

magnificent pic ibon,

is it true that you guys in Panama build as the French did in Abijan during the 80's?

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I have been in Ivory Coast during the end 80's - what about those who claim to have experienced the explosion of the planet Tiamat, adding a number of zeros...

ooh - topic is religion - I am not that far off - in fact - isn't it what it is all about?!

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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 14:02:32

Religious children are meaner than their secular counterparts, study finds
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eligious belief appears to have negative influence on children’s altruism and judgments of others’ actions even as parents see them as ‘more empathetic’
“Overall, our findings ... contradict the commonsense and popular assumption that children from religious households are more altruistic and kind towards others,” said the authors of The Negative Association Between Religiousness and Children’s Altruism Across the World, published this week in Current Biology.

“More generally, they call into question whether religion is vital for moral development, supporting the idea that secularisation of moral discourse will not reduce human kindness – in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

Almost 1,200 children, aged between five and 12, in the US, Canada, China, Jordan, Turkey and South Africa participated in the study. Almost 24% were Christian, 43% Muslim, and 27.6% non-religious. The numbers of Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, agnostic and other children were too small to be statistically valid.

They were asked to choose stickers and then told there were not enough to go round for all children in their school, to see if they would share. They were also shown film of children pushing and bumping one another to gauge their responses.

The findings “robustly demonstrate that children from households identifying as either of the two major world religions (Christianity and Islam) were less altruistic than children from non-religious households”.

Older children, usually those with a longer exposure to religion, “exhibit[ed] the greatest negative relations”.

The study also found that “religiosity affects children’s punitive tendencies”. Children from religious households “frequently appear to be more judgmental of others’ actions”, it said.

Muslim children judged “interpersonal harm as more mean” than children from Christian families, with non-religious children the least judgmental. Muslim children demanded harsher punishment than those from Christian or non-religious homes.

At the same time, the report said that religious parents were more likely than others to consider their children to be “more empathetic and more sensitive to the plight of others”.
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The report was “a welcome antidote to the presumption that religion is a prerequisite of morality”, said Keith Porteus Wood of the UK National Secular Society.

“It would be interesting to see further research in this area, but we hope this goes some way to undoing the idea that religious ethics are innately superior to the secular outlook. We suspect that people of all faiths and none share similar ethical principles in their day to day lives, albeit may express them differently depending on their worldview.”
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 14:37:27

I do not like religion, I do like spirituality.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 15:22:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') do not like religion, I do like spirituality.

I hope and pray organized religions go to hell. They are all mostly just scams to to fleece the gullible.

And control the masses.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 15:35:22

Well actually P, I was referring to more in the past, when people were ultra religious and bowed before the perceived omnipotence of the Vatican and Catholic Church.
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Re: What's your opinion on religion?

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 07 Nov 2015, 15:55:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')ell actually P, I was referring to more in the past, when people were ultra religious and bowed before the perceived omnipotence of the Vatican and Catholic Church.

Things have not changed. Just the liturgy and the robes. They still pray to idols.

I would say it is more like the Sounds of Silence song "And the people bowed and prayed to the Neon God they made"
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