[Cog]

If one of you ever touched my child you would pray that I would kill you before i was finished. Thank God that none of you are in charge of this country or of me. Castrating children, killing children,you guys need some serious psychological help.

[onlooker]

I think the testosterone matter is germane to the OP, is so much as we cannot probably do too much about how genetics considering we will probably fall a number of notches down technologically and scientifically after the collapse. I am one of those and I have already stated my position, that I believe nurture is far more influential then nature. I will give the analogy of a fancy car like a jaguar. If one is on a nice open highway one will be tempted to drive it to the max utilizing its impressive steering and horse drive. On the other hand if one finds oneself on a dirt and cobble road one would be very circumspect about unleashing the full might and properties of the car. Well in the same way if a group like the Emphatic Humans structures its community in a way that is strictly pacifist, enlightened and spiritual, the chances of the inherent testosterone drives of the male coming out in full bloom are much less. I would add that said group would if wise give equal power to women who tend to be more nurturing, docile and gentle. So the cultural environment would be key to establishing a group that is more evolved and less prone to outbursts of emotion or driven by base impulses.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f one of you ever touched my child you would pray that I would kill you before i was finished. Thank God that none of you are in charge of this country or of me. Castrating children, killing children,you guys need some serious psychological help.

[SeaGypsy]

Since population is actually more of a problem than testosterone, it's women need neutering not men. One man can service the reproductive needs of thousands, even millions of women, so you could remove 99.9% of males completely & still get overpopulation. The idea of monogamy surviving 80% male sterilization is pretty far fetched.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'O')ne man can service the reproductive needs of thousands, even millions of women

[onlooker]

Yes got to interject this relevant to Sea comments. Genghis Khan was known to have sired children from thousands of women. I think, though that Tanada also chose men so as to quell their aggressive instincts via castration and subsequent testosterone deficiency.

[SeaGypsy]

The technology has come a long way since the great Khan. With modern technology he would have sired all the children.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'O')ne man can service the reproductive needs of thousands, even millions of women

[Tanada]

Despite the way you guys keep running with the ball hither and yon I will repeat, I am talking about a hypothetical culture hundreds of years in the future striving to follow the 'commandments' inscribed on the Georgia Guidstones.

Presumably that will be after our current civilization has completed its descent and a different culture does the Phoenix routine from the ashes of our civilization. This implies that artificial insemination and modern surgery/implantation technology is not readily available to the culture I am speculating about. On the other hand knowledge of wound care and castration are not high technology. Farmers have castrated livestock for literally thousands of years, without causing the majority of castrated males to die of infection or shock.

[SeaGypsy]

My view of the Guidestones is much like Ibon's, they are not in any way more significant than any random cultural artefact, no more likely than the culture of the Luritja or Pitjanjatjarrah which have actually proved themselves over tens of thousands of years, including population control mechanisms built in, funky creation myths with animals & alien visitors, all sorts of cool stuff; to become a dominant future culture. The Guidestones are a combination of Bible Belt American hubris with an actually very shallow philosophy very widely open to interpretation. Only someone with very limited cultural education would consider the Guidestones to be particularly deep.

Edit to add, also I very much doubt such a thing as a dominant global culture will have any chance to exist once the One World Government fanatics wake up to the fact their fantasy has only ever been possible due to energy slaves which will not be around long enough to maintain anything for hundreds of years. A solar navy, airforce, army? Nuclear powered not just ships, but fighter aircraft, bombers, ATV's & tanks?

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f one of you ever touched my child you would pray that I would kill you before i was finished. Thank God that none of you are in charge of this country or of me. Castrating children, killing children,you guys need some serious psychological help.

[Newfie]

Sea,

I agree that the Guidestones are not very deep. I think I pointed out above they are repetative. And I also agree that it is unlikely we will have any new dominance cultural shift.

My bet is that we retrench into earlier forms of governance. And that will lead to a general increase in low level, regional, or territorial warfare.

Our over population is an artifact of the cheap energy we have. Mtake that's away and the population will plummet. So I suspect we are all trying to solve a proble that will not exist. The population will shrink of its own accord as the global financial structure, propped up by cheap energy, collapses.

Then the problems our dependents, if any, will face I'll be the old familiar problems of simply getting enough to eat and surviving the weather and their neighbors.

So, it is unlikely we will actually be faced with any of these despicable solutions.

[SeaGypsy]

Yep Newf. One of the angles on the Guidestones not yet discussed here is the NWO conspiracy usefulness therein. IMO the NWO is a reality, but with limited reach & even more limited success. Like other NWO artifice, will die with cheap jet travel.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f one of you ever touched my child you would pray that I would kill you before i was finished. Thank God that none of you are in charge of this country or of me. Castrating children, killing children,you guys need some serious psychological help.

[Newfie]

Cog,

You are most assuredly dead wrong. There is no more forceful evidence of the collective than 7.3 billion people. Freedom and rights can only breath where they have sufficient free air, room for thought and action without impinging the rights of their neighbors.

You of all should understand that overpopulation is the biggest threat to the rights and liberties you say you hold so dear.

[Cog]

If you do not believe in individual liberties and you wish to force me to believe in a collective right, then you are going to have to kill me. are you willing personally to pull the trigger on me?

I believe you stated previously that I and my beliefs are personally responsible for the destruction of the planet. Therefore you should try to kill me because I am threatening everything you hold dear.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you do not believe in individual liberties and you wish to force me to believe in a collective right, then you are going to have to kill me. are you willing personally to pull the trigger on me?

I believe you stated previously that I and my beliefs are personally responsible for the destruction of the planet. Therefore you should try to kill me because I am threatening everything you hold dear.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you do not believe in individual liberties and you wish to force me to believe in a collective right, then you are going to have to kill me. are you willing personally to pull the trigger on me?

I believe you stated previously that I and my beliefs are personally responsible for the destruction of the planet. Therefore you should try to kill me because I am threatening everything you hold dear.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
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Let me repeat....

ECONOMIC GROWTH IS GENOCIDE ON A MASS SCALE.

[Newfie]

Thank you Ibon. I strive to the simple truths. They are bloody difficult. And painful.