[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
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I was referring to an "apparently" pristine ecosystem. The point seems to be that potentially having been through a crisis (with the loss of megafauna) the American Indians adapted their culture to a sustainable model. They didn't have the technology prior to that to destroy the ecosystems, so a transition to a more integrated lifestyle would be easier (albeit brutal in the short term). We may be violently agreeing here. I'm not sure if sustainable belief systems can ever come about spontaneously, but would tend to be the result of a crisis (whether local or broader-based).

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')o what was native Indian population in 1491? Somewhere between 15 and 30 million I think.

All population estimates I've seen for smaller areas (Newfoundland and cape Breton) are well under 10% of today's populations, which themselves are 10-20% of Pennsylvania population density.

[Cog]

Where do I sign up to opt out of this?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'W')here do I sign up to opt out of this?

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat no enlightened social engineering be possible?
The question mark is just that. An invitation to open up the discussion if this could be possible.

[SeaGypsy]

How is it fair? A moron with 14 children on day 1 has 7 times the progeny of those who didn't need a neo-religious edifice to tell them two should be the maximum.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '5')00m is too few for a modern industrial system.
Besides, who is going to be responsible for the implementation of all of the above?

[SeaGypsy]

Fairly 6,700,000,000 humans requiring urgent dispatch is going to take some seriously industrious fairness. .

Let's get down to how many Godwin's is that for the Georgia Guidestones? Roughly 1000 invocations worth? So to enact the guidestones would require 1000 times the killing effort of the Holocaust? Then the selectee survivors would get on with being all nice behaved, sustainable little Aryans, right?

[onlooker]

No doubt this would be the most traumatic transition event process in the history of humanity. But maybe just maybe if we can make it too the other side of the bottleneck and climate change stabilizes, this same trauma can be the catalyst too assure that we truly do "behave" nicely and subscribe wholeheartedly to the Georgia Guidestones.

[Cog]

The USA already has a Supreme Law of the Land. It is called the US Constitution. Those of us who do like it and have taken an oath to defend it, might take great exception to installing another Supreme Law of the Land without our permission.

But good luck with your endeavor and go in peace.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut good luck with your endeavor and go in peace.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he USA already has a Supreme Law of the Land. It is called the US Constitution. Those of us who do like it and have taken an oath to defend it, might take great exception to installing another Supreme Law of the Land without our permission.

But good luck with your endeavor and go in peace.

[Tanada]

If you could create a culture where say 80 percent of males are castrated at birth instead of circumcised I think that would go a long way toward stabilizing population. Done at a week or less old the eunuchs would never know any other way of life, it is not easy to resent the absence of what you never knew. Eunuchs still grow into healthy robust individuals that contribute to the family and society as a whole, and they tend to live some 15 to 20 percent longer than men.

[davep]

That wouldn't necessarily stop a large proportion of women getting pregnant from the 20% left though!

[onlooker]

Why castration rather than Vasectomy?

[Newfie]

Funny, I was having some thoughts along the same lines, somewhat more extreme though. Don't think I care to share.

But really, in our over populated world men are largely redundant, except for a small breeding group we serve no function that could not be done by women.

That would be n easy way to reduce population pretty quick and make thoswho are so worrie about women's rights and ability to manage their own bodies pretty happy.

[onlooker]

more extreme than castrate ummm wonder what that would be haha.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')hy castration rather than Vasectomy?

[onlooker]

Wow good accurate explanation Tanada thanks. How is the sweet potatoes going?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
')
If you want a more peaceful world where people cooperate taking 80 percent of the Testosterone away will do that pretty well. If you just use vasectomy all those hormone drives are still there causing problems.