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Re: THE Georgia Guidestones Thread (merged)

Postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 28 Sep 2014, 21:40:27

Never mind this guy figured it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... bMD3zY#t=0

(There are really weird people out there)
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Georgia Guidestones

Postby Tanada » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 00:34:57

Could you live in the world they suggest?

1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

6. LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH -
LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Keith_McClary » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 01:29:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'C')ould you live in the world they suggest?
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6. LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT
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As long as you still have the nation-state system, there is not much chance for the other nine.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby radon1 » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 02:24:17

500m is too few for a modern industrial system.

Besides, who is going to be responsible for the implementation of all of the above?
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Cog » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 05:12:05

I do not see the word freedom or individual liberty mentioned in the ten point list so no.

No wait, they do mention it, they just don't want you to exercise it.

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

This world sounds dull and most likely smells like patchouli.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Ayoob » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 07:53:00

World human population at 500 million is in stark contrast with world population 7.5 billion, isn't it.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Ibon » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 08:08:09

I have no doubt that very few people would disagree to these principles if they actually could first experience for a moment a world thus organized. We have already drifted so far into the territory of adapting to an overcrowded planet socialized to the world of consumption and commerce that we can no longer recognize the compromises we have made. And therefore most of us are not able to measure if the regulations and compromises required to live with these Georgia Guidestone principles would be greater than what we currently have.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby ROCKMAN » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 08:16:00

Actually a pretty good plan when it was envisioned by Nazi Germany in the 1930's. All those policies would have been in place. At least for the remaining master race. LOL.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Ibon » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 11:30:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'A')ctually a pretty good plan when it was envisioned by Nazi Germany in the 1930's. All those policies would have been in place. At least for the remaining master race. LOL.


There is a reflex of referring immediately back to the Nazis and their racist social engineering policies when this topic comes up. This assumes that any management on a global level of the human species must therefore equate to racism, injustice, inequality, genocide, social darwinism, etc.

That no enlightened social engineering be possible?

The question mark is just that. An invitation to open up the discussion if this could be possible.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby GoghGoner » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 12:07:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '5')00m is too few for a modern industrial system.


Yes, the whole thing would stop working. Exploding refineries and other chemicals that would escape into the environment would reduce that 500 million by quite a few, maybe to 0.

Maybe a different species with more brain power could implement a sustainable civilization...
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Tanada » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 12:22:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', '5')00m is too few for a modern industrial system.

Besides, who is going to be responsible for the implementation of all of the above?


This begs the question, why do you want a modern industrial system? The industrial system of 1928 could easily employ all of the 500,000,000 people in industry and agriculture and artistic pursuits. There were about that many in Europe and North America combined at the time.

Spreading that population out over the entire globe would make individual impacts much smaller. You could power the whole system with renewable energy in perpetuity with that smaller impact.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Cog » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 12:25:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'A')ctually a pretty good plan when it was envisioned by Nazi Germany in the 1930's. All those policies would have been in place. At least for the remaining master race. LOL.


There is a reflex of referring immediately back to the Nazis and their racist social engineering policies when this topic comes up. This assumes that any management on a global level of the human species must therefore equate to racism, injustice, inequality, genocide, social darwinism, etc.

That no enlightened social engineering be possible?

The question mark is just that. An invitation to open up the discussion if this could be possible.


But when you say enlightened social engineering, do you not mean control over the individual in favor of the collective good? I don't equate that with Nazism per se but the end result is the individual(or family, tribe, community) must suppress his own good in favor of the group. Or am I missing the point here? Humans, are by nature somewhat selfish to with regards to maximizing their good and not to a group of 500 million others.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby ROCKMAN » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 12:44:42

"That no enlightened social engineering be possible? " Can you describe such a successful global effort that wouldn't require brutal force to achieve? Difficult to imagine such "enlightened" views voluntarily held by the vast majority: some (perhaps many) will have to sacrifice much of what they hold dear.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Cog » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 13:32:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;That no enlightened social engineering be possible? " Can you describe such a successful global effort that wouldn't require brutal force to achieve? Difficult to imagine such "enlightened" views voluntarily held by the vast majority: some (perhaps many) will have to sacrifice much of what they hold dear.


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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 16:54:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '.')... can enlightened social engineering be possible?

The question mark is just that. An invitation to open up the discussion if this could be possible.


From Plato's Republic to Communist ideas about creating the "new man" to Aldoux Husley's Brave New World, there are a wide range of social engineering schemes to choose from.

Personally, I don't think the danger involves Nazis who return from their graves dressed in throw-back brown uniforms and goose-step around and force everyone to live in a national socialist state. There are much more subtle forces at work---i.e. the TPTB are conditioning the sheeple and steering the world towards a "Brave New World". Huxley had it right----TPTB have no problem with a society with lots of sex, drugs, Facebook, consumerism and rock and roll as long as there isn't much actual democracy or independent thinking among the sheeple.

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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Ibon » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 21:33:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '&')quot;That no enlightened social engineering be possible? " Can you describe such a successful global effort that wouldn't require brutal force to achieve? Difficult to imagine such "enlightened" views voluntarily held by the vast majority: some (perhaps many) will have to sacrifice much of what they hold dear.


Think about all the range of ideologies, cultures, languages, religions, political orientations, socio-economic spread. Today not even brutal force would work to draw global societies toward such a consensus let alone an enlightened force.

On the other hand you could imagine a series of external events that might transpire to persuade some countries toward a cooperation under an umbrella of guidelines that all would recognize as strengthening resiliency. Resiliency would have to trump some aspects of personal freedom for this to work. The need of resiliency would have to be so great that individuals would not be forced to relinquish their personal freedoms, they would willingly do so.

Under what circumstances can we imagine that this might occur?
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Ibon » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 22:05:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')But when you say enlightened social engineering, do you not mean control over the individual in favor of the collective good?


Yes like we already do in thousands of ways. Currently in our society the need to control or force compliance is often secondary to a citizenry willingly following certain rules that are recognized as enhancing liberty rather then curtailing it. For example, you can be forced and controlled to not steal someones bicycle by being arrested by the police and incarcerated for doing so. But the vast majority of citizens don't do this because they are socialized to recognize this behavior as wrong. So there is no real loss of liberty by willingly submitting to the laws that make stealing bicycles illegal. Some gypsies who have a different cultural orientation might call the laws against stealing bicycles a kind of "tyranny" and represent a loss of personal freedom.

An ethical example. Many religious people would refuse to end a pregnancy with an abortion because they believe that this is morally wrong. They are following the rules of their church. This rule prohibiting getting an abortion is not seen as a loss of personal freedom by those who obey their church. They obey and follow this rule willingly and do not see this as tyranny.

A small river community allows raw sewage to flow in a river and is sued by an environmental protection agency at the request of a town further downstream that experienced a cholera outbreak. The state obliged, controlled and forced the town to treat their raw sewage. How many citizens perceived the state as tyrannical in this enforcement and how many saw that this collectivist rule benefits all.

The theme here is that the guidestones are followed willingly by the citizens.

Can these above simple examples ever be applied to larger systems like energy, preserving biodiversity, sustainability, climate change?
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Newfie » Mon 19 Oct 2015, 22:24:32

Tanda,

I've quoted them here a few times before. I think it is a good start.

Simply reducing population is a great step forward.

We visited Cook State Forest today and admired the very few last standing old growth trees on the East Coast. It is such a pity we humans have to ruin such a wonderful Eco system, just to have more and more of what?

Cog,

For all your protestations about Liberty I would think you would be the first to line up for this plan. Referring back to Asimov and his bathroom metaphors.

" And in the same way, democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people onto the world, the value of life not only declines, but it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies."
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby Keith_McClary » Tue 20 Oct 2015, 01:40:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'C')og,

For all your protestations about Liberty I would think you would be the first to line up for this plan. Referring back to Asimov and his bathroom metaphors.

" And in the same way, democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people onto the world, the value of life not only declines, but it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies."

Cog is all about Liberty. I don't think he cares about democracy, human dignity, decency or the value of life.
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Re: Georgia Guidestones

Postby davep » Tue 20 Oct 2015, 02:47:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')imply reducing population is a great step forward.


Such a huge decrease in population (over 90%) would be even more brutal than nazi Eugenics, requiring a massive organised cull beyond sterilisation for the non-chosen ones (leaving less than one in 10). I'm not sure how the process of getting there can be squared with the lofty ideals of the society once we are there. It would leave psychological scars that wouldn't heal just because we hit the magic population number.
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