[Sys1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ajor problem with UFO is that it seems implausible that some alien civilization managed to fly a craft for light years only to stupidly crash it on the Earth.

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FranklySpeaking', 'I') know someone will inevitably call me a loon, but I was one of over 800 people who actually saw a very low-flying UFO over the now inactive Ramey AFB in 1976. Actually at that time the Air Force has been long gone and I was attached to U.S. Coast Guard Air Station Borinquen. I am a retired HH53 (Jolly Green Giant) Helo pilot. Here is what I and many others recall and NOTHING any government ever tells me can change what we all saw that evening and which was reported on the front page of El Reportero the following morning.

[vision-master]

I wish 'we' didn't use the terms 'Aliens' or "UFO's". It's just in bad taste.

Do you call your neighbors to the North of you 'Aliens'?

[radon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ') You could say this was disinformation meant to fall into Soviet hands, but that's a stretch.. don't think that Cold War stuff started as early as '49, just 4 years after WWII.

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') wish 'we' didn't use the terms 'Aliens' or "UFO's". It's just in bad taste.

Do you call your neighbors to the North of you 'Aliens'?

[35Kas]

Pedalling_faster, you seem pretty realistic about what you say. Doesn't sound like an attention whore spouting bullshit. It's god to be able to read something here that isn't full of ad hominens and logical fallacies for once.

And yes, of course they keep a tight lip on it. There is no reason not to. There would be societal ollapse if the world suddenly because aware and understood the totalness of the situation. People in large groups are very stupid. Expect to see more information trickle out of the vaults as time goes by. Who knows, maybe within two decades TPB will feel more comfortable revealing more, or like you said, they will use this information in an attempt to retain control once things start to derail world wide.

[MontrealMichelle]

I agree. There will only be government disclosure when it is is "convenient" for them to do so.

[onlooker]

Just curious what others think about it. Certainly, their have been many reported sightings in the 20th century and some interesting incidents like Roswell. Also, their has been a steadily growing literature of the case that the extraterrestrials may have here in our ancient past. I have read and seen programs about this and while no smoking gun, it does appear to cast some tantalizing and provocative data to support the case for the existence of UFO/aliens. I remain with an open mind. I will say though that given the wonders of the Universe and how immense in size it is, I would not rule out the possibility of intelligent life existing in other places. So what do others think?

[Keith_McClary]

Now that there are phone and dashcam cameras everywhere, we should be seeing more UFO pix and videos.

[Gsearch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'N')ow that there are phone and dashcam cameras everywhere, we should be seeing more UFO pix and videos.

[Gsearch]

One of the most fascinating cases of possible extraterrestrial contact I have heard of:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')klahoma** - August 11, 2000 - 0200 hrs. (Central)

Law enforcement officer becomes lost at night on a rural road in Oklahoma. Is approached by strange creatures, and he fires his service revolver. Witness found by police in roadway.

[onlooker]

Thanks G for the links.

[Gsearch]

You're certainly welcome. It is nice to know that the number of people who are interested in this subject is increasing, especially as the number of sightings seems to be increasing as well. I had a close encounter with a triangular UFO the size of a football stadium about 10 years ago. It was no more than 100 feet above my head, idling in the air, making no sound at all.

[onlooker]

Wow is that so G. Wish I could have a close encounter also. Maybe the two of us can keep this thread alive as I too am very interested in learning more about all this.

[Subjectivist]

Bored people playing with recreational chemicals see all sorts of things, aliens and UFO's are just a small percentage of a very large number.

[Gsearch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')ow is that so G. Wish I could have a close encounter also. Maybe the two of us can keep this thread alive as I too am very interested in learning more about all this.

[Gsearch]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'B')ored people playing with recreational chemicals see all sorts of things, aliens and UFO's are just a small percentage of a very large number.

[vox_mundi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', 'N')ow that there are phone and dashcam cameras everywhere, we should be seeing more UFO pix and videos.

[Cog]

Aliens may well be bound by speed of light limits in the same way us humans are. Which is why no definitive proof has been established that we are being visited now or have ever been visited. The universe is a very large place and the distances involved between star systems make exploration problematic unless you can somehow exceed speed of light limitations. See Fermi's paradox.

I put alien visitations, abductions, UFO's, and Big Foot sightings in the same category. Just no definitive evidence that any of those things have every occurred. That is a very different argument that suggests that we are alone in the universe.

There is also another possibility excluding the speed of light limitations on travel between stars, and that being that perhaps life can only develop under very restrictive limitations. Perhaps Earth just got lucky to have the exact(And I do mean exact) conditions under which life developed. Or unlucky depending on your point of view.