[Lore]

The mass hysteria for owning and carrying a concealed weapon where you typically shouldn't just escalates the chances of bringing a bullet to you. If you're military then you know the rule about always taking the fight to the fire. I don't think little girls untrained in dangerous situations would be safe to be close to.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'Y')ou take away the reasons for people buying guns - primarily the power of the federal government and the need for the very poor to protect there rights and I suspect gun ownership would go down on its own.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'Y')ou take away the reasons for people buying guns - primarily the power of the federal government and the need for the very poor to protect there rights and I suspect gun ownership would go down on its own.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he mass hysteria for owning and carrying a concealed weapon where you typically shouldn't just escalates the chances of bringing a bullet to you. If you're military then you know the rule about always taking the fight to the fire. I don't think little girls untrained in dangerous situations would be safe to be close to.

[Tikib]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'Y')ou take away the reasons for people buying guns - primarily the power of the federal government and the need for the very poor to protect there rights and I suspect gun ownership would go down on its own.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'Y')ou take away the reasons for people buying guns - primarily the power of the federal government and the need for the very poor to protect there rights and I suspect gun ownership would go down on its own.

[Tikib]

So you don't think the gang members are in anyway infleunced by your warrior culture?

[Cog]

You guys should really take a conceal carry class. You really have no idea what you are talking about with regards to the use of force. It is hammered into you continually that you absolutely have to be in fear of imminent death or grave injury before you draw your gun. Nothing I learned as a military officer comes into play as a civilian gun owner.

All I'm hearing here are more mis-information being conveyed about gun owners as presented by the liberal media. Sad you guys don't do your research on the matter.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'S')o you don't think the gang members are in anyway infleunced by your warrior culture?

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou guys should really take a conceal carry class. You really have no idea what you are talking about with regards to the use of force. It is hammered into you continually that you absolutely have to be in fear of imminent death or grave injury before you draw your gun. Nothing I learned as a military officer comes into play as a civilian gun owner.

All I'm hearing here are more mis-information being conveyed about gun owners as presented by the liberal media. Sad you guys don't do your research on the matter.

[Tikib]

Look Cog I come from a culture that doesn't have much gun violence, I am therefore trying to look for solutions in my culture to the problems in your culture. If you have better solutions thats fine but the way your currently doing things doesn't work.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'L')ook Cog I come from a culture that doesn't have much gun violence, I am therefore trying to look for solutions in my culture to the problems in your culture. If you have better solutions thats fine but the way your currently doing things doesn't work.

[Tikib]

Yea your gradually becoming more socially developed, you will catch up with us eventually.

[onlooker]

Maybe Cog that is because people are too afraid to engage in any type of physical confrontation thinking that it could easily lead to losing your life in the Wild West that is currently the US. So I guess we all like living in perpetual fear uh?

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'M')aybe Cog that is because people are too afraid to engage in any type of physical confrontation thinking that it could easily lead to losing your life in the Wild West that is currently the US. So I guess we all like living in perpetual fear uh?

[Apneaman]

Cog, how many atmospheric chemists and physicists have you sat down with and talked to instead of just getting your information about AGW from Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the rightwing media tards?


Cocks not glocks: Dildos to replace guns at UT-Austin campus carry protest

http://www.mysanantonio.com/local/educa ... =fb-mobile

[Apneaman]

A retard American pandering for retard votes.



Ben Carson Suggests Holocaust Would Have Been Less Likely if Jews Were Armed



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-cars ... d=34349693

[Cog]

Prevented the Holocaust, most certainly not. But they certainly could have made it painful and costly for the Nazi's to execute it. I refer you to what Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said in his writings about resisting those who want to imprison you. Coming from a man who spent years in the Soviet gulags. There was times that fighting, even when the cause is hopeless, is preferable to being slaughtered like sheep.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

[hvacman]

This is an interesting topic. Very early in the discussion, Switzerland was raised as a outlier nation with high gun ownership, but low murder rates. It really wasn't followed through, though, with digging into the whys. I'd like to re-open that discussion. First a summary of Switzerland. Universal conscription. Lifetime membership in the "militia". Lifetime ownership of military firearms. Huge hunting tradition. No permit required for single-shot bolt-action rifles. Switzerland, surrounded by the Axis, was able to remain neutral in WWII due to both terrain and the "porcupine" principle. Every citizen is a barbed quill.

Let's look at statistics for the gun and murder situation in Switzerland and compare it to the US:

Per Wikipedia, here are the gun-owning statistics for Switzerland:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')umber of guns in circulation

In some 2001 statistics, it is noted that there are about 420,000 assault rifles (fully automatic, or "selective fire") stored at private homes, mostly SIG SG 550 models. Additionally, there are some 320,000 semi-auto rifles and military pistols exempted from military service in private possession, all selective-fire weapons having been converted to semi-automatic operation only. In addition, there are several hundred thousand other semi-automatic small arms classified as carbines. The total number of firearms in private homes is estimated minimally at 1.2 million to 3 million.[citation needed]

In 2005 over 10% of households contained handguns, compared to 18% of U.S. households that contained handguns. In 2005 almost 29% of households in Switzerland contained firearms of some kind, compared to almost 43% in the US.[5] According to current estimations of guns per 100 residents is about 25,[6] which is, for example, lower than Germany, France, or Austria.

[Cog]

I would not necessarily correlate military service with being safe with guns. Many non-veteran civilians handle guns everyday in a responsible and safe way. Usually by being trained by their parents or by civilian safety instructors.

I would generally oppose conscription unless it was a national emergency and only for the length of that emergency.

The part where military training does help the average civilian is understanding how a conventional military operates and the best way to defeat it using unconventional methods. The US has millions of veterans whose store of knowledge ranges from nuclear weapons employment, to fixing Humvees, to fixing chow for hundreds of people. Very useful skill sets to have when fighting either a domestic or foreign tyranny.