[Lore]

The right to bare arms is already restricted. Not being allowed to have a personal nuclear device seems rather prudent. I suggest we honor the spirit of the right for the time in which it was established. Everyone should be allowed to only carry a musket.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he right to bare arms is already restricted. Not being allowed to have a personal nuclear device seems rather prudent. I suggest we honor the spirit of the right for the time in which it was established. Everyone should be allowed to only carry a musket.

[Tikib]

Ultimately the reason why Americans have the gun culture that they do is because they feel threatened by there own government and this is ultimately a result of the fact that the US military is too centralised, too powerful and is controlled by too few people. Americans therefore see it as a threat to there freedom.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'U')ltimately the reason why Americans have the gun culture that they do is because they feel threatened by there own government and this is ultimately a result of the fact that the US military is too centralised, too powerful and is controlled by too few people. Americans therefore see it as a threat to there freedom.

[Tikib]

Yea but everyone having guns makes harm and death MORE likely not less.

America needs to weaken its military and increase its gun regs in tandem if it wants to get rid of massacres.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he right to bare arms is already restricted. Not being allowed to have a personal nuclear device seems rather prudent. I suggest we honor the spirit of the right for the time in which it was established. Everyone should be allowed to only carry a musket.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he point in case you missed it, which you obviously have, is that rules written centuries ago are not necessarily valid today with changing attitudes and technology.

[Tikib]

The fact is you Americans simply don't care enough about human life to change your society to stop people dying from gun crime. And it for this reason that America is very rapidly losing its moral authority in the world.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he point in case you missed it, which you obviously have, is that rules written centuries ago are not necessarily valid today with changing attitudes and technology.

[onlooker]

Actually your partly right Tik, it is also that the gun lobby (NRA) is very strong and guns like abortion are the "hot" button issues the Republicans like to emphasize to distinguish them from Dems. Of course all this is nonsense when as you and everyone on this site know their are more important things to worry about. Guess, those staunch gun advocates will be defending their right to bear arms right up until the TEOTWAWKI. (The end of the world as we know it)

[Cog]

That was already voted on after Sandy Hook and failed. And in the states its even worse for gun regulators and grabbers. More state legislatures have strengthened the Second Amendment right through state law and conceal carry (shall issue) is now the law in the majority of the 50 states. We aren't going to give up those rights chief.

So go ahead and try something else. Gun control is a loser politically.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')ctually your partly right Tik, it is also that the gun lobby (NRA) is very strong and guns like abortion are the "hot" button issues the Republicans like to emphasize to distinguish them from Dems. Of course all this is nonsense when as you and everyone on this site know their are more important things to worry about. Guess, those staunch gun advocates will be defending their right to bear arms right up until the TEOTWAWKI. (The end of the world as we know it)

[onlooker]

I guess Cog you will go down with guns a blazing. I wonder if secretly you may wish you lived back in the times of the Wild Wild West.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'T')he fact is you Americans simply don't care enough about human life to change your society to stop people dying from gun crime.

[onlooker]

so true Dino and fed my the mainstream right wing media which at every turn seeks to dramatize and polarize this issue. As in be afraid be very afraid.

[Cog]

[Cog]

The alternative explanation is that permit holders aren't terrified at all but exercising a right and being confident they can handle things when the police are minutes away when seconds count. Course that explanation doesn't fit in with the liberal narrative about gun owners.

[Tikib]

if you want the killings to stop you have to de-arm america from top to bottom. Your military spending is probably twice what it actually needs to be for a start.

You also need to reduce income inequality to crush gang violence with some good old fashioned socialism.

Finally you need to reduce the power of the federal government massively and devolve more power to the states.


Then and only then should you bring in gun laws because then people would feel less threatened by those around them.

[Cog]

Excuse me. De-arm America when most of the states in the union have passed legislation mandating shall issue conceal carry? With what force do you intend to disarm anyone if you reduce the power of the federal government and give more power to the states? A great number of states have passed legislation forbidding law enforcement from confiscation efforts. A lot of county sheriffs have states flat out they won't enforce any new gun laws passed by the federal government or even their own state governments. Case in point, New York and Colorado who passed magazine limits. Enforcement might go in the cities by the rural sheriffs are already refusing to enforce those laws.

Not that I object to reducing the size and scope of the feds. By all means do that.

[Tikib]

You take away the reasons for people buying guns - primarily the power of the federal government and the need for the very poor to protect there rights and I suspect gun ownership would go down on its own.