[Newfie]

From without or within matters little.

It sounds like you have been given a gift.

Use it wisely and with grace.

But don't over do it, eh? That kinda got ya where you are. So go easy, especially on yourself, OK?

[SeaGypsy]

My experience tells me that the apparent opposite views of oneself, the God perspective & the self apologetic egoic perspective are much closer than is easily recognised. The 'shock' in the revelation is in it's newness. The shamanic experiences this state of communion over & over, becoming familiar & developing a lifelong relationship with the 'entity/s'.

The problem with the reaction described is recoil into the personal position & disconnect from the source. Spiritual exploration is about confronting differing & opposing views of everything, especially oneself. Spiritual maturity is to remain unaffected, merely increasing self awareness. If what happened allows for that, all is well, if not, maybe it leads down a blind alley. Only one person knows.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'P')ure DMT is available with a wide variety of sub sets of psycho actives, with none, or almost none of the above described side effects.

[SeaGypsy]

If you prefer projectile vomiting to no nausea at all, go for it. The process to extract DMT is about basification & separation of salt, tryptamines being contained in the plants salts. Not rocket science, all the stuff to do it is in the supermarket.

As for doing DMT in a 'group' or with a shaman- not at all necessary if you have read a pile & prepared yourself. I have had it in a variety of settings, alone is powerful, with others also, the only refrain I would have is don't do it at all around nasty people or when you are in a less than good stable mood.

[ROCKMAN]

I imagine there's some benefit to having one's view of the world changed by whatever means even if the world itself hasn't changed. For some even a false illusion is better then the reality one must deal with on a daily basis.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I')f you prefer projectile vomiting to no nausea at all, go for it.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'I') imagine there's some benefit to having one's view of the world changed by whatever means even if the world itself hasn't changed. For some even a false illusion is better then the reality one must deal with on a daily basis.

[yeahbut]

Front page of the local rag this morning...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') young Kiwi traveller has died after taking part in an ancient Amazon "cleansing ceremony".

Aucklander Matthew Dawson-Clarke, 24, was holidaying in Peru when he joined a seven-day ayahuasca retreat designed to foster a spiritual awakening and bring inner peace.

Ayahuasca, also known as yage, is a plant that contains a hallucinogen, and induces intense psychological effects.

The retreats, which are growing in popularity with tourists and holidaymakers, offer a variety of other "purging" drinks.

They have been linked to serious health problems and at least two other deaths, prompting warnings about the dangers.

Mr Dawson-Clarke's father, Stuart Clarke, said his son had packed a lot into his life.

"Whilst Matt only reached 24 years, he achieved so much in his short life and we remain completely amazed and proud of his achievements.

"Matthew was no different to so many other Kiwis who decide to travel the world in pursuit of their dreams. It is devastating to us that he won't be returning home with all the travel stories like many others have done before him."

[SeaGypsy]

Every day a Kiwi or Aussie dies in Bali from drunken motorcycle riding. Big deal.

[yeahbut]

Always good to evaluate the risk/benefit ratio for any drug tho, don't you think? I always did that when I was an enthusiastic consumer back in the day, and avoided certain things because they had a greater associated chance of death. Ayahausca has a low mortality rate when compared to riding motorbikes pissed in Bali, but maybe not as low as mushrooms, LSD, or pure DMT? Worth researching when deciding what adventures one might want to embark on, at the very least. Knowledge is our friend, as always.

[Cog]

Dope smoking hippies everywhere.

[SeaGypsy]

Cannabis is no more than a tonic medicinal herb by comparison to DMT, which is revolution inducing at all levels. The experience replicates a version of near death, which except for over purging as in the very likely cause of all deaths involved, is very safe. It is not at all addictive, contributes to rapid personal growth & self knowledge more than any other substance known to humanity. Without MAO inhibitors it is all over in a few minutes, leaving only ponderances behind, the chemical being easily disposed of as it replicates chemicals being produced continuously in the pineal gland. If you could dose the whole world simultaneously for 3 days with DMT it would be the end of the MIC & the beginning of the real brotherhood of man.

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[SeaGypsy]

Like everyone else though- cog will experience a mega dose of DMT- right when it's too late to make a difference.

[ROCKMAN]

Gypsey - OTOH how many folks create an artificial reality without drugs? Like some folks who seriously imagine a US economy that voluntarially swithes from fossil fuels to the alts. Imagine what folks would pay for a drug that built such a illusion. LOL

[SeaGypsy]

It's called 'normalcy bias' Rock, I'm sure you can elaborate that for yourself.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rod_Cloutier', '[')b]My final Ayahuasca experience. I mean this in a literal sense, I took and overdosed on this substance today, I found myself sitting on my toilet, and realized that I was dying in a very literal sense. I had a full fledged near-death experience and it wasn't pretty.

I saw the unconditional love of God, and how God had allowed and permitted me to have experiential knowledge of having it all and wasting my life, spitting into the face of opportunities, to have it all in life in my own selfish egotistical way and yet throwing it all away. How I was allowed to fail, and flail around so that I could benefit from the insights of what happens when a person literally flushes their life down the toilet. This was tough love for someone who wanted from the very beginning to separate himself from God.

I was with God and told essentially what I had done, and made me aware of how I had ruined my own life, how most of the choices I made were totally, epically stupid, and this was it, my time was up, dead... naked on my toilet from a self induced drug overdose.

I begged God to give me another chance at life and I would make changes. I was then shown that I had already been given multiple second, third, forth, fifth, sixth, and seventh chances to change my life and I had done nothing to change it. This time, the game was up. This is it you are dead.

I pleaded, and God showed me how I totally screwed myself with nearly all of my major life choices from dropping out of University, culminating in this final inevitable moment, as natural consequences from the choices that I had so arrogantly made. I pleaded, begged, and sobbed, and begged some more for it not to end like this. For my wife and kids not to find me dead naked on the toilet from a drug overdose. I was shown that the police were/ are actively tracing my ayahuasca drug purchases though the mail and that even if I was to stay alive, I will potentially be going to jail.

Did I still want to stay? I told God that I can't handle jail, it would kill me, but I still wanted to go on with my life. I asked for the impossible, an eighth, final chance to reform my ways and life, starting immediately, today. Now. Right now.

I'm still here- it was granted. A wake up call that I should have seen coming. I've decided that whatever happens, jail whatever, I'm starting over and doing nearly everything differently. Change of attitude, change of predisposition, hanging up on all of the bad, epically stupid, egotistical choices I have made over decades. End of the psychedelic drug habit. Authentic living. I'm going to change my handle here from Repent to my actual name, going to get on the bus for the changes coming down the line due to limits to growth, peak oil and, AGW. Changing starting right now.

I was also given the specific memory of dying on the toilet to hang on to as a near permanent reminder of what had occurred. So whenever I was in doubt, I could refer back to the moment in crystal clarity. It was the single most 'real' moment of my entire life.

(Happy to still be here)

Rod Cloutier
(Formerly Repent- who died on a toilet seat this afternoon)

[SeaGypsy]

I would put it differently, the experience is like catching an actual moment, or slowing it down so much you notice it, as if for the first time. A glympse of 'death', in the form of warped perception, mostly of time, death being timelessness, the pituitary sac always ready for blast off. Awesome stuff.

Sorry the OP was a 'bad trip'. I'm certain it wasn't a conclusion though, being about 'don't do this & that'. My experience is that this is a very early stage, a necessary learning set about personal discipline, definitely not yet flying your own warp drive yet bud

[roccman]

For those interested in great spiritual music, this link has over 750 free songs.

http://sacredvalleytribe.com/medicine-song-by-year/

Most all this music was recorded during aya ceremonies. Adding a "beyond the pale" dimension to them.

Enjoy

[Cog]

so if you get this life altering experience and get in touch with the real universe, why should you need to repeat using this drug more than once? is this not just like getting drunk or getting high from smoking pot? don't you do the experience because it is fun?