[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'B')y all means, let's pretend our security is not threatened. My case in point, no one is preparing. It's the old, better to not think about things we don't like to think about.

[GHung]

Ibon said: "Let me a bit unkind for a moment. What the hell preparation are any of us doing by chatting incessantly about our upcoming peril? "

It's about keeping your mind right. I also don't get how some of you have the time, but I check in here a couple of times most days. Today I managed to get in a couple of comments, read some others, planted 60 cabbage seedlings in their prepped bed; weeded, sprayed, and got a row cover over the beet/carrot bed; and plugged a couple of hundred ginseng seeds into the forest floor. Also picked some fillet beans and got a start on last night's dishes. My wife is used to going without my nightly gourmet services when it's time to reap and sow (harvest and plant). Anyway, a pull on the pipe, a shot of beam, some leftover pizza,,, I'm good to go for another comment.

I think some of you are too busy,, and take this shit too seriously....

....and what Hosj said.

[ralfy]

The "main players" are dependent on the continued presence of a global capitalist system. Given that, "the last man standing" may involve small groups struggling to survive.

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', 'I')bon said: "Let me a bit unkind for a moment. What the hell preparation are any of us doing by chatting incessantly about our upcoming peril? "

It's about keeping your mind right. I also don't get how some of you have the time, but I check in here a couple of times most days. Today I managed to get in a couple of comments, read some others, planted 60 cabbage seedlings in their prepped bed; weeded, sprayed, and got a row cover over the beet/carrot bed; and plugged a couple of hundred ginseng seeds into the forest floor. Also picked some fillet beans and got a start on last night's dishes. My wife is used to going without my nightly gourmet services when it's time to reap and sow (harvest and plant). Anyway, a pull on the pipe, a shot of beam, some leftover pizza,,, I'm good to go for another comment.

I think some of you are too busy,, and take this shit too seriously....

....and what Hosj said.

[GregT]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') am interested in exploring with all you fine folks, the theory/concept which some are beginning to note and that is that the end game overarching strategy of the main players on the world stage is to be "The last man standing". That would mean that they all are aware of the tremendous forces at play now to really radically downgrade our civilization and create turmoil.

[Newfie]

I really don't see any evidence that TPTB exist. I think that is a myth.

I think the ones we fear that exist are just as screwed up and confused and lost in their personal insanity as everyone else we know.

There may be some possible exceptions who are using their wealth to prep for the future (why are the Chineese digging all those tunnels?) but that is just an uber survival strategy.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') really don't see any evidence that TPTB exist. I think that is a myth.

[GregT]

"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible."

Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society (1953) p. 50

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."

Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, 1992

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."

Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, 1950

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."

New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in 1922.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

"Propaganda" by Edward L. Bernays (the father of modern advertising), 1928.

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations - One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

"The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."

Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."

A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, 1933

"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure."

Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, 1936 issue of The New York Times.

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future."

U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his 1964 book: With No Apologies



"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money and control credit, and with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from the bankers and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a better and happier world to live in. But if you want to continue the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and to control credit."

Sir Josiah Stamp, Director and President of the Bank of England during the 1920's

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.

If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

From David Rockefeller's Autobiography; Memoirs, page 405

[ennui2]

And.... here comes the tinfoil. ^^^

Meanwhile, Russia is rolling into Syria and some here will only celebrate THEIR dick-wagging.

[GregT]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', 'A')nd.... here comes the tinfoil. ^^^

[Ibon]

Let's give TPTB the guillotine so the rest of the 7.299999 billion of us can live in ecological and social bliss, shall we?

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'L')et's give TPTB the guillotine so the rest of the 7.299999 billion of us can live in ecological and social bliss, shall we?

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'L')et's give TPTB the guillotine so the rest of the 7.299999 billion of us can live in ecological and social bliss, shall we?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'D')isease and famine up until now has been successfully overcome. Think of the recent Aids or Ebola epidemics. Now all seemingly under control. Go back to the early 60's and see the images of malnutrition throughout Africa, Asia and Latin America with young emaciated children. All now seemingly under control.

We have not lost a single battle against the Overshoot Predator as we move ever closer to losing the war of defeating human overshoot.

I don't focus on this topic any longer because the world wont focus on this until they decisively lose the first battle. Perhaps as Tanada says with a world wide grain failure due to climate disruption. In the meantime it remains idle speculation and does nothing to move consciousness forward.

[GregT]

Well Tanada,

I must admit, that I haven't agreed with much of what I've read from you in the past, but I do agree with the above. Maybe I need to stick around a bit, and get to know you better. I prefer to keep an open mind.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'L')et's give TPTB the guillotine so the rest of the 7.299999 billion of us can live in ecological and social bliss, shall we?

[Newfie]

Names, give us names and the organizations they belong to. Where do they meet, who is their CEO?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ames, give us names and the organizations they belong to. Where do they meet, who is their CEO?

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ames, give us names and the organizations they belong to. Where do they meet, who is their CEO?

[Newfie]

Tanda,

I can agree to a generalized bias as you state it. I don't think that is what most people mean when they say "TPTB".

Could be wrong.

But even then globalization in and of itself is not the entire problem. It is the way it is being effected. To get the lowest cost for those that have money to buy. Exporting pollution and social issues.

Yale did a study about CC impressions called "Six Americas." In one of the earlier releases you could see the questions and the demographics of the answers and how they broke down. Basically those who were most adamantly opposed to considering cc were well off, home owners, good job, well educated, and older. Pretty much like the congressmen and leading businessmen. I think that expressed the bias you speak of pretty well.