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THE Royal Dutch Shell Oil Thread Pt. 2

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Re: Chief Scientist at Shell say nanotech will save oil indu

Unread postby JV153 » Fri 04 Sep 2015, 15:20:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StarvingLion', 'S')tarvingLion's State of the Union Address in 2015.



What is this, a line from V for Vendetta ?
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Re: Chief Scientist at Shell say nanotech will save oil indu

Unread postby rdberg1957 » Sun 06 Sep 2015, 18:46:57

Given all the converging threats which create dilemmas and constrict choices, I believe humanity has very little time on a geologic scale. I don't believe individual efforts amount to much given our problems with resources (oil depletion, fresh water, soil), ocean degradation, biodiversity and extinction, population, and greenhouse effects. The combination of threats is what is so daunting; the probability that humans can escape what is to come diminishes with each passing year.
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Re: Chief Scientist at Shell say nanotech will save oil indu

Unread postby Lore » Sun 06 Sep 2015, 19:08:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', 'G')iven all the converging threats which create dilemmas and constrict choices, I believe humanity has very little time on a geologic scale. I don't believe individual efforts amount to much given our problems with resources (oil depletion, fresh water, soil), ocean degradation, biodiversity and extinction, population, and greenhouse effects. The combination of threats is what is so daunting; the probability that humans can escape what is to come diminishes with each passing year.


All of what you say is true. Our great civilization, at its apogee, has given us eyes into the future, yet we are too blind to see doing anything about it.

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Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 05:22:48

Shell Abandons Disappointing Offshore Alaskan Well

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ONDON — Royal Dutch Shell said Monday it would stop exploration off the coast of Alaska “for the foreseeable future.”

The decision came after the Burger J well, which the company drilled this summer, produced disappointing results. The company said the well “found indications of oil and gas but these are not sufficient to warrant further exploration” of the Burger prospect, a geological structure.

Shell said that the decision reflected not only the disappointing results from the well but “the high costs associated with the project and the challenging and unpredictable federal regulatory environment in offshore Alaska.”

The decision also indicates that even though the oil industry believes the Arctic has major resources, the costs, a tricky environment and other risks are so high in the area that the hidden oil and gas will be difficult to develop if oil prices stay low.

Shell’s efforts to drill in Alaska have long seemed quixotic. The company’s decade-long project has been dogged by the opposition of environmental activists, who said oil and gas production posed unacceptable risks in the fragile Arctic. Shell also suffered from mishaps; in 2012 it drilled two shallow wells but a drilling ship, the Kulluk, ran aground.

The environmental protests continued this year when the Obama administration gave the green light for the company to resume its efforts. Investors and industry executives questioned the wisdom of Shell’s spending heavily and putting its reputation at risk — especially with oil prices having fallen over the last two years from $110 per barrel to below $50 per barrel.

Stopping drilling in offshore Alaska is a major disappointment for Shell, whose executives thought they had locked up a potentially huge trove of oil there. In July, Ben van Beurden, Shell’s chief executive, said that the area where the company was drilling in the Chukchi Sea, 150 miles offshore, “has the potential to be multiple times larger than the largest prospects in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico.”

At the time, Mr. van Beurden also said that Shell would not learn enough from one well to figure out how much oil and natural gas was in the area unless the results were very disappointing.

“Shell continues to see important exploration potential” in offshore Alaska, Marvin E. Odum, the company’s head of exploration and production, said in a statement. “However, this is clearly a disappointing outcome.”

The Alaska operations have cost billions of dollars. Shell said the value of Alaska drilling on its balance sheet was $3.1 billion, and that it had a further $1.1 billion in contractual commitments, probably for items like drilling rigs. The company said it would take write-offs as a result of the decision to halt drilling.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 05:34:58

a perfect sign of the times. Oil very low price making exploration more focused in terms of cost/price ratio. Also, this highlights how now oil and gas are becoming more difficult to find and expensive to access and produce. The low hanging fruit has already been plucked.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby Paulo1 » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 10:19:15

re: The low hanging fruit has already been plucked.

You said it!!! This will really send a message to the Drill Baby Drill Energy Independent folks.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 10:34:31

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You said it!!! This will really send a message to the Drill Baby Drill Energy Independent folks.


Nah, the Drill Baby Drill folks will claim that the reason Shell decided to stop drilling in the Arctic was "too much government regulation".
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 13:25:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yellowcanoe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Paulo1', '
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You said it!!! This will really send a message to the Drill Baby Drill Energy Independent folks.


Nah, the Drill Baby Drill folks will claim that the reason Shell decided to stop drilling in the Arctic was "too much government regulation".


Yeah, I've already heard some of my friends from Alaska saying that. But they know oil has been on a slow slide to death in AK, and they like their jobs, so they want something to save them.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 14:24:43

Paulo - There never really has been much "low hanging fruit" when it comes to oil exploration. As I just posted elsewhere there were many dozens of wells drilled in the N Sea before the first major oil field was discovered. It's easy to look at big fields like Ghawar and the N Slope and think they were easy pickings....they weren't. There has never been a significant oil field discovered that wasn't preceded by numerous dry holes. In fact with the technology we have today finding oil/NG has never been easier. The real problem is the lack of viable targets left to find.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 14:52:05

Rockman by viable do you mean much easy flowing oil and easily accessible gas?
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 15:06:30

@ onlooker

not that i'm an expert, but i'd suggest size (of the oil/gas field ) and location/depth are important , as well as ease of extraction
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby hvacman » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 15:13:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n fact with the technology we have today finding oil/NG has never been easier. The real problem is the lack of viable targets left to find.


RM - so with all that "smart" technology that makes it so easy, what is your thought on the fact Shell went to a lot of expense (and political grief) getting the rig up to Alaska to drill, only to drill one hole and abandon the project? Does that mean their technology told them they probably would find uneconomic conditions, but they had to poke at least one hole in the ground at the most likely "sweet spot" to field-verify? I would think if their technology is so reliable and told them of a high probability of find economic-to-develop resources, they'd hang around a bit longer and hit a couple of other possible "sweet spots" before bailing.

Or maybe it is just that the technology told them "something" was there, but they didn't have enough information to know if it could be "economic" until they actually got some samples of the reservoir rock?
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 15:31:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', '@') onlooker

not that i'm an expert, but i'd suggest size (of the oil/gas field ) and location/depth are important , as well as ease of extraction

Yes kiwi I think that is what Rockman means. Thanks.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby hvacman » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 16:02:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or the oil industry, however, the well results were bad news.

“That was a huge disappointment not only for Shell but also for the industry,” said Fadel Gheit, an oil analyst for Oppenheimer & Co. “This has been a saga. Bad timing, bad planning, bad circumstances. It was not meant to be. Everything that could go wrong went wrong.”

He said that though the company only completed one well, he said that it was the best prospect Shell had. “If you wanted to make a bet on one horse, this was the horse in for the money,” he said. “This was the best candidate.” In the 1990s, five wells were drilled in the area and abandoned after yielding natural gas, but by early 2008 oil prices had soared and Shell had taken another look at the seismic data.


Answered my own question. The Washington Post article clarified the details.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... efinitely/
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 17:00:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'P')aulo - There never really has been much "low hanging fruit" when it comes to oil exploration. As I just posted elsewhere there were many dozens of wells drilled in the N Sea before the first major oil field was discovered. It's easy to look at big fields like Ghawar and the N Slope and think they were easy pickings....they weren't. There has never been a significant oil field discovered that wasn't preceded by numerous dry holes. In fact with the technology we have today finding oil/NG has never been easier. The real problem is the lack of viable targets left to find.

RM, I think that most people here understand just how difficult it is to find and exploit oil resources, but the "low hanging fruit" is being used as a relative term, rather than an absolute one. Maybe you would prefer if we said the "not so high hanging fruit!" ;)
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 28 Sep 2015, 17:14:28

Or maybe the easier to get at oil both economically and energy wise. Also, can mean if we use the metric of viable as per Rockman reference, taking into account the entire process that oil fields and wells gave more bang (oil to extract) for the buck in yonder times then now.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby Pops » Tue 29 Sep 2015, 09:58:48

Yep, a big dot, Shell went elephant hunting in the Arctic and got skunked

another,
Brazil / Petrobras (pre-salt, ultradeep Tupi field) bonds cut to junk status

the 3rd is even on weakening demand everyone is pumping flat out and spare capacity is falling - shale LTO is not spare capacity

and as Pete said somewhere, depletion continues apace.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby ennui2 » Tue 29 Sep 2015, 10:06:30

People shouldn't draw the conclusion that if drilling retreats that they'll never go back again and that there's no oil to recover. The jury is still out on that. All we know is they don't think it's worth their while right now. I have no doubt that if we have sustained >$100 oil prices that someone will try again.
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Re: Shell Abandons Arctic

Unread postby Pops » Tue 29 Sep 2015, 10:13:02

The entire point of peak oil is not that oil production stops overnight.
It is that without continual replacement of depleting capacity, declines overtake additions and production falls.
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