by Outcast_Searcher » Fri 04 Sep 2015, 12:02:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')nteresting, from the link you posted this should make their projections more realistic and less speculative. Time will tell of course.
I assume you mean short term projections. (If they use survey data to influence their long term projections), that would seem to be just another brand of tea, IMO).
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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by Outcast_Searcher » Fri 04 Sep 2015, 12:39:28
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'K')nowing how crucial energy including petroleum is to the nation, and that the EIA report
is public information, I have to assume this is just to bolster the public report acceptance. I have to
assume policy makers and the industry all have much more accurate, and market dynamic responsive
tools and that they have used them and perfected and refined them continuously for many decades.
If this system was an aircraft, it's creators would drive or ride on trains when they traveled.
Interesting, and a good point. For industry, this sounds likely.
For policy makers, I'm less sure. First, the government isn't exactly consistent as far as doing things well. Second, if they have much better data, given that they are servants of the public, shouldn't they be providing that data to the public (and especially the taxpayers which fund them?) Or are they going to claim this is some sort of secret "national security" data, or some such BS?
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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by Pops » Fri 04 Sep 2015, 14:57:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'I')t would be nice if projection out for say, the next three years are more accurate.
Actually the change is to reports of the recent past, last month; not the future.
Reports of last months production will be based on surveys of last months production, not extrapolations based on surveys from months and months ago.
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by Subjectivist » Fri 04 Sep 2015, 15:29:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Subjectivist', 'I')t would be nice if projection out for say, the next three years are more accurate.
Actually the change is to reports of the recent past, last month; not the future.
Reports of last months production will be based on surveys of last months production, not extrapolations based on surveys from months and months ago.
Oh, I thought these were the numbers they would be using for future projections as well?
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by efarmer » Fri 04 Sep 2015, 16:36:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'K')nowing how crucial energy including petroleum is to the nation, and that the EIA report
is public information, I have to assume this is just to bolster the public report acceptance. I have to
assume policy makers and the industry all have much more accurate, and market dynamic responsive
tools and that they have used them and perfected and refined them continuously for many decades.
If this system was an aircraft, it's creators would drive or ride on trains when they traveled.
Interesting, and a good point. For industry, this sounds likely.
For policy makers, I'm less sure. First, the government isn't exactly consistent as far as doing things well. Second, if they have much better data, given that they are servants of the public, shouldn't they be providing that data to the public (and especially the taxpayers which fund them?) Or are they going to claim this is some sort of secret "national security" data, or some such BS?
For policy makers, the 1973 Opec Embargo and other events taught them that like military secrets required for national security, energy information and vulnerabilities are just as crucial, if not directly linked as shown by our military campaigns in Afghanistan during a period of Central Asia to Europe pipeline intrigue, and Iraq of course. National Security reasons shield public servants from being diligent public informants.
President Trump will fire all of these people, and Vice President Nugent will fly to Asia and the Middle East and employ his special guitar hot licks and shooting iron charm. I do imagine the Islamic world will decline on his Casino building for World Peace offer, but at least he will have made the effort.
by Keith_McClary » Fri 04 Sep 2015, 16:40:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Apneaman', 'W')hy now?
They've probably been working on it for 10 years.
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by asg70 » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 13:41:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
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Patently false statement.
BTW, scroll up in the thread where you claimed in 2010 (7 years ago) that doom hadn't taken a holiday.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Don't worry peakers. Doom has not taken a holiday.

Well, it did, and it's still on vacation. But you've chosen to troll this board 365 days a week from then until now suggesting otherwise. What a waste of a life...
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by Outcast_Searcher » Wed 07 Jun 2017, 14:11:56
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')The consumer doesn't want to or can't pay for +~$50/barrel for oil
Patently false statement.
BTW, scroll up in the thread where you claimed in 2010 (7 years ago) that doom hadn't taken a holiday.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Don't worry peakers. Doom has not taken a holiday.

That's one of his current memes of doom. Claiming (completely incorrectly) that consumers can't "afford oil products" at current prices -- parroting the ETP doom theme.
Of course, we never get a useful answer, when folks point out that the global economy grew just fine in the 2010-2014 period when the global price for crude oil averaged roughly twice what it is recently. And that the global economy is continuing to grow since then, so how is it that people suddenly can't afford oil when it's now roughly TWICE as affordable?
Apparently there is no end to the doomer enthusiasm for predicting short term economic doom, no matter how often or how long they are proven wrong.
Meanwhile, as a moderate, who just tries to look at the data and extrapolate trends, I'm just happy to see that as usual, we continue to blunder along. At least we see signs of progress (like green energy, even if slower to be adopted than I'd like), even as the ongoing stupidity (i.e. global BAU growth at any cost) continues apace.
Unless and until I see clear signs for several years (not a day or a week) that good things or bad things re the overall system are CLEARLY winning out -- then the data, to me, strongly supports the moderate POV for the next 50 years or so anyway. Why? I'll cite the many lessons of history, and how adaptable humanity is (even if people only adapt when pressured to do so).
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.