[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')nd what is wrong with that?

[onlooker]

Well, I do admit T, I have a bias for certain corporations in so much as what their doing or not doing. I would also support a corporation if they were engaged in cleaning up environment, giving some money back to charities, setting up solar and wind etc. I do not think that invalidates my overall point that the nexus of corporations and government is not conducive to a democracy. When these entities DO work for the common good then they are fulfilling their implied reason for existence. After all, why do we buy things if not because they can provide some benefit to us.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')ell, I do admit T, I have a bias for certain corporations in so much as what their doing or not doing. I would also support a corporation if they were engaged in cleaning up environment, giving some money back to charities, setting up solar and wind etc. I do not think that invalidates my overall point that the nexus of corporations and government is not conducive to a democracy. When these entities DO work for the common good then they are fulfilling their implied reason for existence. After all, why do we buy things if not because they can provide some benefit to us.

[onlooker]

True T, without the power of one's convictions one is easy fodder for letting the power of charismatic people or ideas easily sway you. If I may say Tanada you strike me as a very intelligent person and also quite centered emotionally. Specifically to your point about if they agree with me they are good if not they are evil, well I think the point here is if they corporations and what they do is universally accepted and condoned by society at large or not. I am not society but I do believe in the power of democracy and rule of the majority which is not to say I do not believe in freedom of expression it is just that at some point society as to reach a consensus about anything that affects it. For example cigarette companies and fossil fuels companies, if society had the real power and that implies knowledge as well then perhaps we would have controlled better these industries or in case of cigarettes banned them altogether. So I speak about my preferences but I refer to the preferences of most or all of society.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')nd what is wrong with that?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'W')ell, I do admit T, I have a bias for certain corporations in so much as what their doing or not doing. I would also support a corporation if they were engaged in cleaning up environment, giving some money back to charities, setting up solar and wind etc. I do not think that invalidates my overall point that the nexus of corporations and government is not conducive to a democracy. When these entities DO work for the common good then they are fulfilling their implied reason for existence. After all, why do we buy things if not because they can provide some benefit to us.

[onlooker]

I would remind you guys that all philosophies or moral set of codes is subjective. If you say mine is conditional I can easily say your is also. If Tanada is in favor of nuclear power that is a reasoned argument based upon the facts of the matter. But that is different than saying that I prefer this economic systems or that corporation that is a subjective opinion. I can simultaneously say I do not particularly like capitalism while saying that I favor the government subsidizing PP. First that would be socialism, second even if it was not I can support some activity of a corporation even while decrying against the overly prominent role corporations have in society and in their nexus with government.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')Bravo. This reminds me of the clarity of Ayn Rand in some of her best moments of "Shrugged" or "Fountainhead". (And yes, I do mean that as a compliment, as much as fans of Marx rain hate on Rand for daring to think clearly about property and its consequences).