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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby Cog » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 18:17:19

So you do not dispute my GDP numbers? Well at least you didn't try anyway. Perhaps there is some small hope for you.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 18:20:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o you do not dispute my GDP numbers? Well at least you didn't try anyway. Perhaps there is some small hope for you.


Do I dispute the fact that the US or revisionist China present clear statistical evidence that thye are working at breakneck speed to turn this planet into a squalid dump......absolutely not!!!!!!
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby Cog » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 18:59:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o you do not dispute my GDP numbers? Well at least you didn't try anyway. Perhaps there is some small hope for you.


Do I dispute the fact that the US or revisionist China present clear statistical evidence that thye are working at breakneck speed to turn this planet into a squalid dump......absolutely not!!!!!!


Murica is number #1. Yeehaw
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 19:06:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o you do not dispute my GDP numbers? Well at least you didn't try anyway. Perhaps there is some small hope for you.


Do I dispute the fact that the US or revisionist China present clear statistical evidence that thye are working at breakneck speed to turn this planet into a squalid dump......absolutely not!!!!!!


Murica is number #1. Yeehaw


Just what are you celebrating.....suicide? Cos from where I am sitting, thats what it looks like.

Ah well, guess the kids will have to, fend for themselves while I gas up my uber truck on that thar gaserline....yeeeeeee..............haaaaawwwww.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby radon1 » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 01:59:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'R')ussia if full of alcoholics with dreams of grandeur. Miami and Los Angeles combined has a larger GDP than all of Russia. Enjoy your vodka comrade.


Britain is already ahead of Russia in terms of alcohol consumption.

Russia's GDP is probably something like 1/10th of the US GDP, meaning that Miami and Los Angeles produce 1/10th GDP while being probably about 1% of the country's population. What are the rest of the country doing? Giving that you are apparently not a Miami or Los Angeles resident, you appear to be a pathetic moocher parasiting on these hard-working people of Miami and Los Angeles. Not sure that my numbers are totally correct but they give you an idea about the quality of your "thinking" that you kindly share with us.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 05:16:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', 'B')ritain is already ahead of Russia in terms of alcohol consumption.


But we Brits mainly drink beer, not gut rotting Vodka !!

Za zdorovje !!

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Not the Scots and N Irish mate.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby davep » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 08:48:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')t would be good to afford views that you would not rather see, leeway despite an apparent non relatedness. Marxism covers all aspêcts of the consequences of our civilisations from how we plunder our respources, each other to our planet.


Stick to the topic. Marxism's link to the Islamic State is tenuous at best. You may see it as the solution to all society's ills (yes, we got that a while back) but try staying on topic. And your condescending tone doesn't help.

Personally, I see the takeover of Capitalism by a tiny financial elite the most worrying thing at the moment. But Marx doesn't go into that because he wasn't a clairvoyant. He had some great stuff to say, but it's not necessarily the full picture. Treating it as such tends to have an air of evangelical zeal equivalent to those who are faith-driven.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 15:07:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')t would be good to afford views that you would not rather see, leeway despite an apparent non relatedness. Marxism covers all aspêcts of the consequences of our civilisations from how we plunder our respources, each other to our planet.


Stick to the topic. Marxism's link to the Islamic State is tenuous at best. You may see it as the solution to all society's ills (yes, we got that a while back) but try staying on topic. And your condescending tone doesn't help.

Personally, I see the takeover of Capitalism by a tiny financial elite the most worrying thing at the moment. But Marx doesn't go into that because he wasn't a clairvoyant. He had some great stuff to say, but it's not necessarily the full picture. Treating it as such tends to have an air of evangelical zeal equivalent to those who are faith-driven.


I will have to respectfully disagree and remind you that my interpretation of the rules of engagement as with all rules of engagement subject to due process, as a lawyer, does not contemplate what is in effect and what you are demanding, is a form of censorship. I will continue to respond to posts in appropriate ways and respectfully as I always do, using the full scope of Marxian socio economic analysis which cover all aspects of society, on occasions to rebut inflammatory statements such as calls to extermination which YOU should be moderating.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 15:26:21

Marxism has SFA to do with IS. Therefore nothing to do with the IS thread. I doubt AD has any depth of understanding of Islam as a complete set of laws, including economic ones. Personally I'm bored shirtless with his commie spam.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 15:41:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')arxism has SFA to do with IS. Therefore nothing to do with the IS thread. I doubt AD has any depth of understanding of Islam as a complete set of laws, including economic ones. Personally I'm bored shirtless with his commie spam.


On an objective basis, socio economic analysis is precisely the rational arguments one should use to counter hysteria, especially ones that include hysterical calls for extermination.

Reason should always prevail (in a free speech context) if these sites which characterise themselves as sites of excellence are to have any meaning. Trying to get that simple exercise established is perplexingly difficult it would seem.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby davep » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 15:48:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') will have to respectfully disagree and remind you that my interpretation of the rules of engagement as with all rules of engagement subject to due process, as a lawyer, does not contemplate what is in effect and what you are demanding, is a form of censorship.


We're on a talkboard, and you constantly derail threads. Your interpretation of the rules of engagement are irrelevant if you keep derailing threads.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') will continue to respond to posts in appropriate ways and respectfully as I always do, using the full scope of Marxian socio economic analysis which cover all aspects of society, on occasions to rebut inflammatory statements such as calls to extermination which YOU should be moderating.


If you have a problem with posts, report them. If you don't report them, don't complain about them. Your Marxian socio economic analysis is relevant to the "The Marxist World View" thread. Would you be happy with a Sharian socio economic analyst doing the same thing as you on multiple tangential threads? Both can be seen by their adherents as the root solution to everything. But to others, they would get grindingly boring. This is NOT an invitation for a rant about rational thought versus religious faith; it's merely an example of how any belief system (or "socio economic analysis" if you prefer) has its place, and that isn't all over the boards.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby davep » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 15:55:38

Oh, and be aware that if there is any moderation of your actions I have excuded myself from any vote because of our interactions. So you can stop banging on about rules of engagement as tools of censorship, you big drama queen.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 16:02:15

Actually I would rather debate resolved issues and not reporting. However, if you are to take any moderaing stance on matters, one would expect you to focus on these sorts of post as I mentioned rather than my reasoned and respectful ones that rebut simplistic notions of social relations. And yes, I would welcome Sharian posts if only to convince its adherents as to just how absurd ideas formulated for the Bronze Age are post Enlightenment, especially from people who by and large live according to modernity bar these odd nods to the past.

Personally I would rather be left alone to reasonably conduct myself than these often quite abusive dismissals. I have been on here for over 10 years and have generally posted as appropriate. Just the simplistic characterisation of dialecticism of the material kind as commie says it all.

And please no emotive language like drama queen. Lets conduct ourselves respectfully thanks.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby davep » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 16:09:38

We don't scour the boards, so active moderation isn't always possible. That's what the reporting function is for. And as I said, if you object to something strongly enough to bang on about it in your thread to go on about censorship (that hasn't happened, because you're still allowed to go on about it), report it or accept it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ersonally I would rather be left alone to reasonably conduct myself than these often quite abusive dismissals.


I'm just fed up with you derailing threads. And I'm far from the only one. I've just taken myself out of the decision process as to what we should do about it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd please no emotive language like drama queen. Lets conduct ourselves respectfully thanks.


You've created a thread to moan about censorship that hasn't happened and bemoaned the rules of engagement using your status as a Lawyer (which has absolutely no bearing on talkboard rules). It's a little bit precious.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 16:20:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'W')e don't scour the boards, so active moderation isn't always possible. That's what the reporting function is for. And as I said, if you object to something strongly enough to bang on about it in your thread to go on about censorship (that hasn't happened, because you're still allowed to go on about it), report it or accept it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ersonally I would rather be left alone to reasonably conduct myself than these often quite abusive dismissals.


I'm just fed up with you derailing threads. And I'm far from the only one. I've just taken myself out of the decision process as to what we should do about it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd please no emotive language like drama queen. Lets conduct ourselves respectfully thanks.


You've created a thread to moan about censorship that hasn't happened and bemoaned the rules of engagement using your status as a Lawyer (which has absolutely no bearing on talkboard rules). It's a little bit precious.


Ah well. We could argue till the cows came home. If I am to present on this site, then it will be on a continued and reasonable basis of Reason versus simplistic thinking. If you guys determine otherwise, you are the managers of this site and know whats best for the sites purposes, and I frankly havent the time to be arguing endlessly.

I think I will leave it there for the moment and continue my usual respectful and mindful way.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby Pops » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 17:00:03

The rules here are simple; be nice, stay on topic.

Threads belong to the OP, he sets the discussion. Heed his direction.
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 17:48:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he rules here are simple; be nice, stay on topic.

Threads belong to the OP, he sets the discussion. Heed his direction.


Hello Pops

Tried to pm you but to no avail so I am posting this point of clarity here. You may pm me with the answer;

Pops

If you are saying that the OP can censor me and otherwise be abusively dismissive, please clarify as from my training in rules and laws in general, I understand the OPs role to be one of secondary moderation (or complete exclusion as is the practice in one dimensional sites). He cannot censor reasoned criticism. Nor can he engage in behaviour which runs counter to the principles of due process pluralism (unless again the site is one dimensional or aspiring to be so) and we do abide by these rules and are subject to them or else we would get all sorts of paranoia including miscogny.

Alternately, you guys have a business to run as well in PO. I do not want this endless argument with SG and to a lesser extent one or two others if the style of PO that they project is in your business model. After all, this is capitalism.

So clarity would be appreciated but on my part there is no rancour. I never personalise issues. If the style is the preferred chew the fat with the blokes of the SG ilk, then I will withdraw as it is pointless engaging in a Reasoned fashion in that context which is headed in another direction. But you must appreciate Marxism is socio economic and covers ALL aspects of man and society so I do not pôst with the intent to troll.

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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby Pops » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 19:22:46

Sorry, no lawyers in message board land.

This is really [easy] tho, I'll repeat:

# 1, be nice, if you experience excessive abuse, click the exclamation mark button.

#2 the OP owns their thread and they direct where their discussion goes.


The point is, you don't want me making judgements on whose argument is valid and whose is not. I've pissed off a lot of mods over the years arguing that is not what we do. Want to talk about something? Start a thread.


(here are a couple tips that apply:
the biggest reason for banning is disrupting the boards, usually with a repetitive argument,
the second biggest reason is taking up the mods time explaining common courtesy
the surest way however is bitching about the moderators)
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Re: Using the rules of engagement as tools of censorship

Unread postby americandream » Thu 13 Aug 2015, 19:45:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'S')orry, no lawyers in message board land.

This is really tho, I'll repeat:

# 1, be nice, if you experience excessive abuse, click the exclamation mark button.

#2 the OP owns their thread and they direct where their discussion goes.


The point is, you don't want me making judgements on whose argument is valid and whose is not. I've pissed off a lot of mods over the years arguing that is not what we do. Want to talk about something? Start a thread.


(here are a couple tips that apply:
the biggest reason for banning is disrupting the boards, usually with a repetitive argument,
the second biggest reason is taking up the mods time explaining common courtesy
the surest way however is bitching about the moderators)
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I will ask again. Can they censor or moderate. On certain one dimensional boards where the intent of the owner is clear, anyone who runs counter to that intent be it in the forum or a thread is excluded which is fair enough. They are there to peddle one view point and that is what they offer. Democratic debate on the other hand contemplates all sorts of views provided they address the matter.

Marx pretty much extends to all social conditions whether one likes it or not. He has made an excellent trader of me that comprehensive is his analysis. :lol:

You may pm me with quick clarification as I cannot seem to pm you.
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