[americandream]

I have noticed a tendency amongst certain members who disagree with a certain historical perspective to seek to use the forum rules as a stick to impose censorship by the back door.

Due process contemplates that rules of engagement anywhere cannot foreclose a comprehensive analytical view point, sufficiently comprehensive in addressing ALL the facets of human social relationships, from the family to historical tendencies.

I that vein, it would be good to afford views that you would not rather see, leeway despite an apparent non relatedness. Marxism covers all aspêcts of the consequences of our civilisations from how we plunder our respources, each other to our planet.

I selectively pick my threads in addition so this hysteria when I do post is quite perplexing.

[SeaGypsy]

Maybe something to do with your spamming hell out of the forums.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')aybe something to do with your spamming hell out of the forums.

[KaiserJeep]

You are incredibly, unbelievably, and laughingly obsessed with the writings of a couple of obscure 19th Century economists. Although when written the works of Marx and Engels were mildly enlightening, they were mired in 19th century thought, and among the 20th century developments they never considered and never understood were:

1) American Capitalism as it developed after WW2, including a huge and empowered Middle Class, each individual of which controlled more real wealth than the average 18th-century "aristocrat".
2) A fossil-fueled world with 7+ Billion people in it, and approaching resource shortages of damn near everything we need and use.
3) The incredible efficiencies enabled by digital electronics, present in everything from the watch on your wrist to the jetliner you ride.
4) The potential of space, including effectively endless energy, near unlimited living space, and incredible amounts of raw materials, water, and gases easily accessible once space habitats are constructed.

The 21st century expansion of humanity off this small, squalid, and limited globe into an environment that has almost unlimited potential will be the first Darwinian sort of humanity into winners and losers that has happened in generations. The Earth-focussed and Earth-obsessed will all die miserably and uncomfortably, too many people fighting fiercely over too few resources. The bright light of civilization will illuminate our Solar System, the domain of the new privileged many (the Trillions) of the new Capitalists.

The Socialists are the Darwinian discards, unable to compete.

[americandream]

Fair comments KJ. Thats what I would rather people do than hysterically call Marxist social relational perspectives, spam.

You are correct. Capitalism is indeed a beacon of Reason following on from ages of high subjectivity in superstition laden backwardness. However it has the seeds of this backwardness whereas scientific socialism will build on capitalism, preserving its best and jettisoning its detritus.

The climate front is one area in need of remedying as it peak resourcing.

[KaiserJeep]

Perhaps you can enlighten me. I have seen and read about dozens of countries where it was claimed (usually by the despot in charge) that they were building a Socialist Workers Paradise. Multiple flavors of Communism, Socialism, Maoism, etc. Most such governments quickly went extinct.

Here in the 21st Century, I don't actually know of a Socialist Workers Paradise. I question whether it is a valid evolutionary alternative, or another of the endless dead branches, alternatives that simply will never work.

Who practices the Scientific Socialism of which you speak?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'P')erhaps you can enlighten me. I have seen and read about dozens of countries where it was claimed (usually by the despot in charge) that they were building a Socialist Workers Paradise. Multiple flavors of Communism, Socialism, Maoism, etc. Most such governments quickly went extinct.

Here in the 21st Century, I don't actually know of a Socialist Workers Paradise. I question whether it is a valid evolutionary alternative, or another of the endless dead branches, alternatives that simply will never work.

Who practices the Scientific Socialism of which you speak?

[KaiserJeep]

Well, you have one theory, I have another. I think American Capitalism is in decline, and has been since the 1970's. I think that our exceptional form of Constitutional Republic government is also in decline. We are of course, still the richest country that has ever been and possibly will ever be. We remain a beacon of hope to those oppressed under other economic systems and forms of government.

But I believe that for decades to come, the American lifestyle will continue to slip, the country will continue to decline, and the human race will increase in both numbers and misery, until the final choice can be made: leave a dying planet, or die upon it.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'W')ell, you have one theory, I have another. I think American Capitalism is in decline, and has been since the 1970's. I think that our exceptional form of Constitutional Republic government is also in decline. We are of course, still the richest country that has ever been and possibly will ever be. We remain a beacon of hope to those oppressed under other economic systems and forms of government.

But I believe that for decades to come, the American lifestyle will continue to slip, the country will continue to decline, and the human race will increase in both numbers and misery, until the final choice can be made: leave a dying planet, or die upon it.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', ' ')We remain a beacon of hope to those oppressed under other economic systems ...

[Cog]

If you don't like the American system, the door is only an air flight away.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you don't like the American system, the door is only an air flight away.

[americandream]

radon

The basis of American meritorious constitutionalism was a robust development for its age. Lets not forget the dire state of birth privilege where poverty was a function of birth. These were the same progressive values that not only drove the rise of bourgeoisie liberalism but also that great progressive struggle, the Sovietisation of social relations.

The Soviets withstood onslaught after onslaught for 70 years but eventually succumbed to the global bourgeoisie order...unfortunately for us all.....given the climate clock ticking away in the background. To that extent, merit based privilege is a double edged sword. It freed us from the arbitrary hand of hereditary privilege....but also opened the door to the possible destruction of our home planet. That is the nature of this system. It gives with one hand and takes with the other. Overall it has progressive roots but in the finality, it comes with a price tag.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you don't like the American system, the door is only an air flight away.

[KaiserJeep]

radon1, when I said that we were a beacon of hope for the rest of the world, I was referring to this plaque on Lady Liberty:

....and the long line of people who immigrate to our country continuously, because this is a better place to live.

My next door neighbor here in Silicon Valley is a Russian who owns a small software company - less than a dozen employees.

We have about 20 million undocumented Hispanics from South and Central America, yet our Southern Border remains open. As does our Northern Border, while a steady stream of Asians flows through Canada and ends up here.

We have 327 million citizens and another 30 million undocumented. We have an overabundance of food, and what we consider to be our "Poor" are given food, housing, and medical care.

Those 357 million people are what you are calling a "small minority". But nothing prevents the rest of the world from adopting the form of Constitutional Republic practiced here, except their own apathy and the greed of those who run the countries they are in - such as the criminal oligarchs which run Russia.

If you don't like what you have, and you don't want to come here, you could always start a revolution. We did.

[radon1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
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Those 357 million people are what you are calling a "small minority". But nothing prevents the rest of the world from adopting the form of Constitutional Republic practiced here, except their own apathy and the greed of those who run the countries they are in - such as the criminal oligarchs which run Russia.

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f you don't like the American system, the door is only an air flight away.

[americandream]

The loss of Sovietised social relations was a great loss for all of humankind. Granted, the more barbarically conscious who relish decadence and mayhem will disagree. The slide to a degraded planet as we consume our way towards a global trash heap says it all.

There is no way that capitalism is even remotely close to the Soviets in terms of the scale of the high accultarising process.

[Cog]

Russia if full of alcoholics with dreams of grandeur. Miami and Los Angeles combined has a larger GDP than all of Russia. Enjoy your vodka comrade.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'R')ussia if full of alcoholics with dreams of grandeur. Miami and Los Angeles combined has a larger GDP than all of Russia. Enjoy your vodka comrade.