Zero Point Energy (merged)

by **Jack** » Wed 29 Jun 2005, 19:53:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Brandon', 'E')ither he's a total fraud, he's massively incompetant, or he's actually on to something.

by **I_Like_Plants** » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 03:10:54

I like Pop's email you got back, spoken like a true scientist/engineer.

Perpetual-motion machines of various types have been a plague for a long time. Some people espousing them, like a fellow named Keeley, certainly got very rich from them. But until PG&E shows it as an option on my bill, I think it's a total fraud too.

by **katkinkate** » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 06:42:15

I read a book on ZPE several months ago and followed up with a little internet research and my understanding is as follows. When you take all energy out of a defined area or object, that is, the temperature is at absolute zero (-273 degrees celsius or -450 degrees farhenheit) there should be absolutely no atomic movement because there is absolutely no energy. However scientists who have managed to reach these temperatures in experimental conditions find there is still a little bit of jiggling among the atoms. The energy that causes this slight jiggle is what they call 'zero point' energy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkR', '.')......
The amount of ZPE in an empty volume of space can be calculated and is absolutely vast - a completely ridiculous number (something like there's enough energy in the space the size of a coffee cup, to boil and evaporate all the water on earth)......

by **Novus** » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 18:42:17

The late Nobel physicist, Richard Feynman, remarked that enough ZPE was present in the volume contained within a light bulb, to evaporate the oceans of the earth.

Just because you can't buy ZPE from the utility companies yet doesn't mean that rigorous science is not being pursued here.

by **MonteQuest** » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 20:16:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercynicmeister', ' ')
In ANY case, even if we did get Zero Point Energy Tomorrow Morning at 8 am (just in time for Monday's business) the "scaling up" would still take oil-based chemicals to achieve.

OK, so where's the Oil coming from to do this?

by **SchroedingersCat** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 00:25:21

Why won't this subject die? All ZPE plans I've seen are basically bad light bulbs. Run current through a filament in a near vacuum, use the heat gain in water running past the "generator" to indicate an energy gain. The pump used to move the water adds energy. The comparison of electrical energy and heat gain in the water is always flawed. The reason the energy gain falls off over time is that the light bulb has heated the water as much as it can.

Sorry gang, I am hoping for a breakthrough as much as the next lensman but lets keep things in perspective.

1) You can't win
2) You can't break even
3) You can't get out of the game

by **Novus** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 07:12:22

This subject won't die because our lives depend on it working. If we can't find a high EROEI replacement for oil then we are all going to DIE.

ZPE is the last best hope to do that. Solar, Wind, Fusion, Biomass have all failed and arn't really worth talking about anymore. The last worldly hope is an in over unity chemical reaction involving ZPE.

by **Doly** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 07:37:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'S')olar, Wind, Fusion, Biomass have all failed and arn't really worth talking about anymore. The last worldly hope is an in over unity chemical reaction involving ZPE.

by **0mar** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 11:59:58

ZPE needs 50 years of primary research done it before any real applications can occur. We are trying to find a use for a tool we don't know the uses for.

by **nth** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 12:17:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'Z')PE is the last best hope to do that. Solar, Wind, Fusion, Biomass have all failed and arn't really worth talking about anymore. The last worldly hope is an in over unity chemical reaction involving ZPE.

by **Yossarian** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 16:36:52

Was Nikola Tesla speaking of ZPE in all his talk of "energy from the ether"? What do our ZPE experts here know of Tesla's work and it current relationship to ZPE. After all he helped establish our current electrical system. He might have some insights applicable to today.

by **Novus** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 19:27:37

In 1901 Nikola Tesla first discovered something he called Radiant Energy that exists even in a vacuume. He even built a cosmic radiometer, a device which has vanes that spin in a vacuum when exposed to radiant energy. The power that turns Tesla's cosmic-ray motor would later be recognized in 1948 as the Casimir force.

Both Albert Einstein and his Russian counterpart Andre Sakharov beleived that all matter was suspended in a sea of energy and that matter was made up out of energy. E = mc^2 is essentially a ZPE equation. Rewrite the equation to m = E/c^2 and look at what kind of energy can be turned into matter. You can't turn heat or electricity into matter. The E in E = mc^2 is ZPE because it is the fabric of the universe.

The way I see it the energy coming out of fusion, cold fusion, ZPE are the same. Think about the fusion reaction of joining two hydrogen atoms in one Helium atom. What mass is being converted in to Energy? The number to Protons, Neutrons, and electrons remain the same. Only footprint in the ZPE energy field changes.

Think about the nature of the quantum leap. Electrons are appearing and disappearing at the edges of atoms. Leaping from one place to the next without existing inbetween. Only zero point energy waves can explain this. Incoming waves crash into the nucleus and are deflected back out into space where they colide with the incoming waves. What happens when the two waves colide? You get energy squared. What is energy squared but matter. E = mc^2 explains the quantum leap in terms of ZPE. When the incoming wave colides with a wave deflected off the nucleus you get an electron. When the colision passes the electron disapears and does not reappear until the next colision.

Think about how light can be both a particle and a wave. ZPE is the key. Light waves colide with ZPE waves. At the point of colision there is a photon particle. When the colsion passes the photon particle dispears. What else can the photon particle be made out of other then energy squared.

ZPE theory is the unified theory physics the so called holy grail. It unites relativity with quantum mechanics. ZPE is the missing piece which completes the picture. This when properly explored will usher in a "Second Coming" of science and save humanity.

by **SchroedingersCat** » Fri 01 Jul 2005, 22:54:16

The radiometer was invented by William Crookes in 1875. It does not work in a hard vacuum but requires a slight amount of gas to be present. Tesla, and almost all 20th century physicists, were greatly influenced by Crookes' works.

Tesla, a true genius, was most likely driven insane by the theft and mis-representation of his discoveries by others. His most commecial invention was the efficient generation and transportation of electrical energy over wires. When that was stolen by Edison, Tesla dedicated his life to finding ways of transmitting power wirelessly.

No drawings or models of Tesla's 'Cosmic Engine' were ever found.

by **Graeme** » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 01:04:34

ORLANDO, Fla., Jun 27, 2005 (Canada NewsWire via COMTEX) -- GMC Holding Corp. (OTC Pink Sheets: GMCC) ( http://www.gmcholdings.com ) announced today results of internal testing and independent verification of the company's high- efficiency electromagnetic pulse motor-generator, based upon the Company's proprietary technology, coined REMAT(TM), an acronym for Rare Earth Magnetic Amplification Technology(TM), a trademark also owned by GMC.

GMC is proud to unveil the latest embodiment of its REMAT(TM) system, comprising a unique and highly efficient design, which can be viewed at GMC's REMAT(TM) system web site, http://www.rematinc.com . Tests have confirmed that the Company's design team has brought the earth's energy full circle.

The potential value of the Company's technological achievement is enormous. The REMAT(TM) system can be built to any size and output range, with obvious applications wherever motors are used. More importantly, larger generators utilizing the Company's REMAT(TM) system will be able to power individual homes, businesses, vehicles, etc. REMAT(TM) will contribute much needed energy to power the grids of the United States and eventually the world at a cost and efficiency heretofore not seen. GMC's aim is to utilize the REMAT(TM) system to minimize the world's reliance upon nuclear and fossil fuels for the production of energy.

The REMAT(TM) system contains proprietary circuitry that captures a significant amount of back EMF (electromagnetic flux) that is produced during the motor's operation. By harnessing this otherwise wasted energy, the captured EMF is reintroduced back into the system, thereby providing sufficient power to operate the motor. GMC believes this to be a novel application of proprietary circuitry that is a first in electric motor design.

The company has begun to expand its management team by selecting Mr. Bruce McKenzie as President. His professional background includes an invention of technologies currently used by all of the major satellite TV companies. Mr. Richard Brace will continue as CEO. Mr. Dan York and Mr. Theodore Wojtowicz of Dallas are joining the Advisory Board. Their years of experience in the emerging alternative energy technology field will assist in the Company's R&D. The Company's Advisory Board members have extensive experience in business, finance, electrical engineering, and chemistry. The Company will utilize the diverse talents of its unique team of members to bring its revolutionary REMAT(TM) system into full production.

CONTACT: Bruce McKenzie, President of GMC Holding Corp., +1-407-834-9400

http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?nam ... e&sid=1374

by **Graeme** » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 01:19:26

In a talk titled “Feasibility of Zero-point Energy Extraction from the Quantum Vacuum for Useful Work”, Dr. Valone reviewed what ZPE is and how it is being used.

To kick off his talk, he cited a recent article (July 25, 2004) in the Los Angeles Times that stated that our only hope for solving the energy crisis is to be willing to consider “extreme possibilities.” With that introduction, he then cited numerous instances in which mainstream journals of science have been dabbling in a discussion of zero point energy.

He discussed how the vacuum used to be considered empty, but now it has been shown that the vacuum contains an enormous amount of energy. Even when you remove all sources of energy and cool a region to very close to absolute zero (the zero point), there is useable energy present in abundance. He said that this is why Helium stays liquid at fractions of a degree Kelvin. Dr. Valone described an experiment by Koltick that shows the effect of virtual particle "dressing" that shrouds an electron. The Quantum Vacuum text by Milonni, he says, estimates the ZPE energy density at 220 erg/cc in optical regions. These measurements were able to be made because of science’s ability to study matter at the nanoscopic level. He also reported that gravity and inertia are proven to be effects of ZPE, by none other than Dr. Hal Puthoff at the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin.

Dr. Valone described the Casimir Effect, and how it can be used to tap ZPE. This is the slight attraction seen in metal plates when placed very close (atomic distances) to each other. The attraction can be shown to come from ZPE. Valone cites evidence that the ZPE is not conserved, and does not follow the normal laws of energy conservation. He also showed documented research that sometimes the Casimir Force is repulsive due to magnetic or thermal conditions. In some cases, the force changes sign as the temperature increased. This can lead to ways to manipulate and control ZPE.

In his presentation, Dr. Valone cited several mainstream science journals that are now publishing works by ZPE researchers (Some examples: Phys. Review Letters #92, 2004; Aviation Week March 1 2004; Science v. 299 issue 5608: 2003 p. 862.) He talked about Robert L. Forward’s early work proposing to extract energy from the Casimir Effect and how he made an electron storage battery instead. He said that now that we have the ability to work with nanotechnology, we have the tools to extract energy from the zero point field.

Valone also discussed toroidal EM fields. He said that a ZPE field loses its drag when the temperature nears 0ºK, according to Fronig's research. He also cited references that show that we can now explain how it is possible to extract useable energy from a single heat source (not from a temperature difference), which challenges the First Law of Thermodynamics.

Valone also talked about quantum coherence and micro laser cavities. He cited the works of Pinto (Phys Rev. B 60, 21, 1999 p. 4457) and how he was able to use a micro laser cavity to change the properties and increase the Casimir force – like turning on a light and getting a force out. He also spoke about the fluctuation driven electricity experiments by Crooks (Phys Rev. E. 60, 1999) where he is able to get motion from zero input force. He described this as like a “quantum ratchet”. The research by Linke in Science magazine was also cited. Valone described a report in the July 8, 2004 issue of Nature about how the “Dark Energy” of astronomy is ZPE, and is why the universe is accelerating. He said that when he confronted astronomer Reba Goodman about this nomenclature, and that they are describing Zero Point Energy, so why didn’t they just call it ZPE, the astronomer replied that they “wanted to keep it vague.”

He said spectral density for ZPE is Plank’s 2nd radiation law, which has now been also measured in superconducting tunnel diode noise and reported in a journal article entitled "Has Dark Energy Been Measured in the Laboratory?" Where superconducting circuits are concerned, it is interesting to point out that “Perpetual Motion Machines of the Third Kind,” as he put it, have been achieved with superconducting currents that won't stop, even after ten years of operating with no further energy input, such as those used in MRI machines.

Valone listed the following patents as the most significant in ZPE research: “Rectifying Thermal Electric Noise” by Charles Brown 3890161, and 4004210 by Yater; and 4704622 by Capasso, which actually acknowledges ZPE. He mentioned that metal-metal nanodiodes probably hold the key to ZPE usage with millipore sheets.

He also cited the work of Yasamoto, et. Al. (2004, Science, 304:1944) covering peptide molecular photodiodes just 1 nm across -- another example of a molecular tool for studying this zero point energy that shows up on the molecular level.

Dr. Valone’s report makes one realize that experiments tapping ZPE are now starting to be researched and discussed by the respected scientific community’s peer-reviewed journals.

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/events ... Vacuum.htm

by **Cyrus** » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 10:40:32

We are saved! *incredible in-your-face sarcasim*. It's funy how you optimists take information from a press release, with absolutely no scientific data/numbers and call to the forum "We're saved!". I hope you don't invest in all companies who say they have a solution, when really, they have nothing more than a good public speaker. :lol:

by **agni** » Sat 02 Jul 2005, 23:35:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RG73', '
')Now, revisit your own thoughts. Past discoveries have only made us more efficient in destroying our environment and utilizing non-renewable resources. Unlimited energy will not help with this. It will exacerbate an already bad situation. Sprawl is bad with merely cheap energy--imagine it with free energy. There will be no limit to the appetite for consumption, other than completely devouring everything on Earth. And then no amount of energy is going to matter. So it doesn't really matter if this is science fiction or not--we're likely going to run up against any number of other limits to our growth long before this could be made into a practical application.

by **aldente** » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 03:32:11

I found this highly interesting web- site where an outlay of a ZPE generator is very neatly explained: http://evert.de/eft723e.htm

by **Novus** » Sun 03 Jul 2005, 10:46:51

So is what you are saying is you want to build one yourself. I can't help you there since I do not know how to build a MAHG. But if you are looking for something to play with try reconstructing Tesla's Cosmic Engine. It is quite simple really. Take casimir plates and tilt them 45 degrees and arange them in a turbine.

Theoretically it should work like this:

I will try to post some better diagrams soon. I have a few Radiometers I can take apart to build this.

by **ubercrap** » Mon 04 Jul 2005, 00:10:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'O')RLANDO, Fla., Jun 27, 2005 (Canada NewsWire via COMTEX) -- GMC Holding Corp. (OTC Pink Sheets: GMCC) ( http://www.gmcholdings.com ) announced today results of internal testing and independent verification of the company's high- efficiency electromagnetic pulse motor-generator, based upon the Company's proprietary technology, coined REMAT(TM), an acronym for Rare Earth Magnetic Amplification Technology(TM), a trademark also owned by GMC.

GMC is proud to unveil the latest embodiment of its REMAT(TM) system, comprising a unique and highly efficient design, which can be viewed at GMC's REMAT(TM) system web site, http://www.rematinc.com . Tests have confirmed that the Company's design team has brought the earth's energy full circle.

The potential value of the Company's technological achievement is enormous. The REMAT(TM) system can be built to any size and output range, with obvious applications wherever motors are used. More importantly, larger generators utilizing the Company's REMAT(TM) system will be able to power individual homes, businesses, vehicles, etc. REMAT(TM) will contribute much needed energy to power the grids of the United States and eventually the world at a cost and efficiency heretofore not seen. GMC's aim is to utilize the REMAT(TM) system to minimize the world's reliance upon nuclear and fossil fuels for the production of energy.

The REMAT(TM) system contains proprietary circuitry that captures a significant amount of back EMF (electromagnetic flux) that is produced during the motor's operation. By harnessing this otherwise wasted energy, the captured EMF is reintroduced back into the system, thereby providing sufficient power to operate the motor. GMC believes this to be a novel application of proprietary circuitry that is a first in electric motor design.

The company has begun to expand its management team by selecting Mr. Bruce McKenzie as President. His professional background includes an invention of technologies currently used by all of the major satellite TV companies. Mr. Richard Brace will continue as CEO. Mr. Dan York and Mr. Theodore Wojtowicz of Dallas are joining the Advisory Board. Their years of experience in the emerging alternative energy technology field will assist in the Company's R&D. The Company's Advisory Board members have extensive experience in business, finance, electrical engineering, and chemistry. The Company will utilize the diverse talents of its unique team of members to bring its revolutionary REMAT(TM) system into full production.

CONTACT: Bruce McKenzie, President of GMC Holding Corp., +1-407-834-9400

http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?nam ... e&sid=1374

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