[Pops]

Back in the day there were a different breed of doomer here, Timo.

how-important-is-climate-change-in-planning-for-the-future-t32905.html?

I think we are mostly hand wringers now.

[Lore]

A lot changes in seven years when the problem comes more clearly into view and yet little is being done about it. Ten years ago we were told we had only ten years to avoid the worst impacts of climate change. That time is up!

So, I guess you really can't blame people for a little handwringing. At least from those who really care.

[onlooker]

I think if I may add this sense of helplessness has arisen because since that topic was created in 2007, society at large in fact the whole darn planet has not done very little to prepare or anticipate climate change. Climate conferences have come and gone and little to nothing agreed upon much less acted upon. Since that time the pace of Carbon emissions has continued to grow until 2014 when apparently growth stalled yet did not decrease. Add to that, the more dramatic and visible signs of climate since 2007 showing that the worse scenarios are likely to happen faster then we presumed back in 2007. All this has led to I think the sensible conclusion that their is not much an individual can do to prepare other then moving to a relatively advantageous location. You cannot hide in some bunker to ride out climate change or stock up on guns and ammo or even get off the grid.

[davep]

Move to a currently temperate area with good rainfall if you can (and if you're not already in one) and plant lots and lots of trees, including edibles.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it really is the cure for everything

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')ove to a currently temperate area with good rainfall if you can (and if you're not already in one) and plant lots and lots of trees, including edibles.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it really is the cure for everything

[davep]

I guess that'd be cool if you were short on space. But I bet it's expensive.

If you've got the space go for loads of full-size fruit and nut trees with plenty of non-edibles too.

And maybe sort out a decent water capture and irrigation system for when the inevitable droughts come.

And if you have the time and money, create berms following contour lines to help trap as much water as possible before planting the trees.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')ove to a currently temperate area with good rainfall if you can (and if you're not already in one) and plant lots and lots of trees, including edibles.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it really is the cure for everything

[Lore]

Go to town once a week instead of three trips a day from the suburbs to the mall, grocery store and the gym. I now live in the country from the burbs and have cut my travel in half and I still go and do community work.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')ove to a currently temperate area with good rainfall if you can (and if you're not already in one) and plant lots and lots of trees, including edibles.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it really is the cure for everything

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I') think Keith was talking about the long overdue eruption of the Yellowstone mega-volcano. This entirely natural event will eclipse mankind's feeble effect upon world climate in the first half-day of the eruption, then will spin the planet into a glacial age that will trap so much water as ice that the continental shelf will be the new shoreline, and the ice will last for tens of thousands of years.......leaving a narrow band of human-habitable temperate climate desert terrain around the equator.

[ennui2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')ove to a currently temperate area with good rainfall if you can (and if you're not already in one) and plant lots and lots of trees, including edibles.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it really is the cure for everything

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'M')ove to a currently temperate area with good rainfall if you can (and if you're not already in one) and plant lots and lots of trees, including edibles.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it really is the cure for everything

[onlooker]

This is what we are talking about in the -GW where you live thread-. It is about setting yourself as best as possible for the future while being "one" of those who are taking the correct path. Yeah one can be overrun in the future but one can also form part of a like-minded community which will incorporate all these sustainable practices and which by the way will defend their community against outsiders trying to "overrun" it.

[Ibon]

I think the importance here is the fact that this article appeared in Time. Mainstream articles are like chisels slowly chipping away at denial. When another "event" happens like Sandy or Katrina or Andrew the collective is already primed by articles like this. Add to that insurance companies increasing current and future premiums beyond what the average depressed wage earner can pay and there you have it, a region spirals into economic decline lead by a falling housing market. We were discussing this on the Sea Level Rise thread and anyone paying attention to this has to take note that this article appeared in Time. Just another small nudge to the collective denial but for those of us who have coastal properties the day is ever nearer that you want to get out ahead of the curve while prices are still resilient.

Furthermore, do you want to be already integrated in a local community say for 5-10 or 20 years when climate change starts to bite or would you prefer to be part of the flood of recent arrivals where the locals look upon you with resentment.

Ennui mentioned its a zero sum game. I don't quite agree with that. If you are already integrated in a community and are a member of the local "in Group" then you are in a far better position than a recent climate refugee. To the fact that we all die in the end is indeed the ultimate zero sum game but between now and then it isn't. The choices you make of when to sell your home, where you choose to live, the decision to stay in your bioregion but getting out of a flood zone, all these small choices, make the journey between now and when you eventually die anything but a zero sum game.

There are wise choices to be made right now and in the short term just ahead of when insurance companies and the economy starts sending out the signals long before the climate change itself makes towns and regions no longer economically viable.

[Strummer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'F')urthermore, do you want to be already integrated in a local community say for 5-10 or 20 years when climate change starts to bite or would you prefer to be part of the flood of recent arrivals where the locals look upon you with resentment.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')ack in the day there were a different breed of doomer here, Timo.

how-important-is-climate-change-in-planning-for-the-future-t32905.html?

I think we are mostly hand wringers now.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Strummer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'F')urthermore, do you want to be already integrated in a local community say for 5-10 or 20 years when climate change starts to bite or would you prefer to be part of the flood of recent arrivals where the locals look upon you with resentment.

[Cog]

Even if you are a full blown doomer, and I am not anymore, there are good reasons to live below your means, reduce your personal debt, and be prepared for changes in your circumstances. I still do the prepping thing for economic reasons if nothing else.

[onlooker]

I am wondering I have heard statistics about quite a number of people dropping out of the formal work force could this be a sign that people are deliberately seeking alternative ways to live or is this more reflective of a very weak economy?

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') am wondering I have heard statistics about quite a number of people dropping out of the formal work force could this be a sign that people are deliberately seeking alternative ways to live or is this more reflective of a very weak economy?