by Outcast_Searcher » Wed 29 Jul 2015, 23:04:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I') expect North Dakota to decline to something like 600,000 bbl/d by the time of the election next year. Not sure what President Obama's legacy is going to look like in the history books.
So Obama's legacy is tied to North Dakota oil production, or fracking or tight oil in general?
That's funny. I thought is legacy was tied to screwing bond holders (like GM bonds and bonds tied to student debt) in order to score political points and of course, punish "the rich", as though he weren't well off.

Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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by Tanada » Wed 29 Jul 2015, 23:24:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I') expect North Dakota to decline to something like 600,000 bbl/d by the time of the election next year. Not sure what President Obama's legacy is going to look like in the history books.
So Obama's legacy is tied to North Dakota oil production, or fracking or tight oil in general?
That's funny. I thought is legacy was tied to screwing bond holders (like GM bonds and bonds tied to student debt) in order to score political points and of course, punish "the rich", as though he weren't well off.

Well the President has been touting the increase in crude oil production as one of the great things that took place over the last seven years thanks to his policies.
When all those miracle oil companies start going bankrupt en mass he will have a choice, say it is the greedy investors own fault for over extending themselves, or come up with an explanation why things turned out differently than predicted that shifts the blame to someone else.
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by ennui2 » Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:35:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '
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Is there really going to be a wave of sympathy for oil companies going bankrupt? The political blowback from that would be minimal. Cognitive dissonance or not, people care about the price of gas but they have no love for BigOil, including most lower to middle-class Republicans.
As for policies, Obama went through the election in 2008 on the wave of chants to "drill, baby, drill" from the likes of Palin (supported by Pstarr, who now sheds crocodile tears about AGW). Obama tried to discourage off-shore drilling by saying there were plenty of places to drill in the continental US, and that all oil companies had to do was stick more holes in the ground. So that's what they did. I'd say he followed a moderate path of giving the public as much of what they wanted as possible without going too far.
I also remember an Obama interview before the election where he talked about the psychological see-saw of people's attitudes about oil, where when it's high, they downsize their cars and think about renewables, and when it comes down, they go right back to buying SUVs. There's only so much a president can do to stop that. We already have stricter CAFE standards on the way, standards so high that the industry doesn't even know how they will meet them with pure ICE vehicles.
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by Outcast_Searcher » Thu 30 Jul 2015, 16:11:45
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I') expect North Dakota to decline to something like 600,000 bbl/d by the time of the election next year. Not sure what President Obama's legacy is going to look like in the history books.
So Obama's legacy is tied to North Dakota oil production, or fracking or tight oil in general?
That's funny. I thought is legacy was tied to screwing bond holders (like GM bonds and bonds tied to student debt) in order to score political points and of course, punish "the rich", as though he weren't well off.

Well the President has been touting the increase in crude oil production as one of the great things that took place over the last seven years thanks to his policies.
When all those miracle oil companies start going bankrupt en mass he will have a choice, say it is the greedy investors own fault for over extending themselves, or come up with an explanation why things turned out differently than predicted that shifts the blame to someone else.
Fair enough. But let's not forget the blocking of the Keystone pipeline. (As though trains were a low (compared to pipelines) GHG oil transport mechanism, and as though trains didn't have a HORRIBLE safety record as far as transporting oil.
And (like many things), it's not like Obama had a fundamental impact on things like fracking technology, but all politicians like to take credit for things that happened during their tenure, even if their policies had little or nothing to do with it. Politics -- I get that.
I agree that the oil companies which bought too many assets and left themselves too leveraged SHOULD go bankrupt -- though Obama's party isn't too big on having economic consequences follow foolish behavior that EARNS bad consequences. (i.e. the left wing playbook on personal responsibility is basically to pretend there is none).
So, I'd expect him to blame any oil company financial problems on mean old republicans in general, or (somehow) Dubya in particular. Of course, heaping blame on "greedy" investors for "unfair" profits is also a favorite meme of the left, so Obama will have lots of easy blame shifting, should many such companies go bankrupt. Even while crowing that he gets all the credit for low oil prices. Wow. Isn't politics great?
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
by PeakOiler » Thu 30 Jul 2015, 19:28:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'P')eakOiler - Nice chart...thanks. Folks should note that production leveled off long before the steep drop in oil prices. And also don't forget the lag time: that dip in production 1Q 2015 came from wells drilled in the last half of 2014. We're just starting to see the reaction on the production side from the drop in rig count earlier this year.
Thanks ROCKMAN. Just so that readers are aware, the link I gave above to the EIA US Oil Production website has links to oil production charts of any of the States. Just select and click on the date-range link on the right hand side of the table. I did not see a link to the Bakken oil play, LOL, hence the new thread title. I will customize the chart above (change the date range) as time goes by, then post the new chart. Maybe quarterly. And perhaps next year I'll start the thread titled "Declining Production in Texas"

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by Tanada » Fri 31 Jul 2015, 08:29:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'P')eakOiler - Nice chart...thanks. Folks should note that production leveled off long before the steep drop in oil prices. And also don't forget the lag time: that dip in production 1Q 2015 came from wells drilled in the last half of 2014. We're just starting to see the reaction on the production side from the drop in rig count earlier this year.
Thanks ROCKMAN. Just so that readers are aware, the link I gave above to the EIA US Oil Production website has links to oil production charts of any of the States. Just select and click on the date-range link on the right hand side of the table. I did not see a link to the Bakken oil play, LOL, hence the new thread title. I will customize the chart above (change the date range) as time goes by, then post the new chart. Maybe quarterly. And perhaps next year I'll start the thread titled "Declining Production in Texas"

So are you folks saying that the peak number of sweet spots in Bakken had already been drilled by mid 2014, so the only way to keep production growing was improved technique? Or am I misinterpreting what you are trying to tell us?
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Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.