[ROCKMAN]

Gypsy - Just a silly side note. Normally I would tend to ignore threads such a this. But I saw the title and had a flash: a much more interesting thread then being a "conspiracy theorist" would be being a "conspiracy provist". Now that would be something, eh? LOL

[davep]

It's very hard to prove or disprove such things, which is why the internet abounds with them. The ubiquitous surveillance thing was a conspiracy theory and could only remain so until Snowden did the proving. We don't all have the means to do that.

[SeaGypsy]

I gave up on that idea before I started. I base my rants on nearly half a century of pumping oxygen to a reasonably functional (mostly now, come on) brain. I taught myself internet almost 20 years ago, having grown up with a father who was very hard left when i was a kid, despite being ex USAF. I grew up with Vietnam war on TV every night, full on cold war thereafter, with smuggled apartheid atrocity reels projected on the walls & dinner party conversations about who really shot JFK & what the Sandinista were up to in Nicaragua & the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia & land rebellions & the unions etc etc. I am steeped in this stuff, I have my own bullshit filters which I am confident are way better than, for instance, anyone who buys the 9/11 Commission Report, JFK lone gunman. Those 2 stories are absolutely ridiculously easy to see through in a few days serious to & fro, anyone who can't has a seriously vested interest.

[onlooker]

I think it is convenient for anyone who does not share your views to label you a conspiracy theorist or worse. Does not move the debate one iota. Sea, bought up two obvious true conspiracies. I add the other about a Cabal with a hidden agenda namely the Banksters and a few families who have a history of being very high up in the totem pole of wealth and power. One being the British Royal family. Anyone interested do a search on just how much land the Royal family owns around the world. That should be eye-opening to some. So I postulate not that these very wealthy and powerful people are in the shadows plotting to take over the world, simply that their wealth/power is being utilized to steer the world in certain directions and that these people are reluctant to forgo any of their wealth or power. That is all.

[JV153]

I'm surprised no-one posted this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-in-w ... ,_1857.jpg

[onlooker]

I read that currently on the world stage when leaders or other VIP shake hands, the one who has is hand over the other in viewing perspective is the top dog.
A whole science exists to decipher body language and people trained to do so.

[JV153]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JV153', 'I')'m surprised no-one posted this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-in-w ... ,_1857.jpg

[Shaved Monkey]

There are truths which are not for all men, nor for all times.

Certainly any one who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices

It is said that God is always on the side of the big battalions.


Voltaire

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'I')t's very hard to prove or disprove such things, which is why the internet abounds with them. The ubiquitous surveillance thing was a conspiracy theory and could only remain so until Snowden did the proving. We don't all have the means to do that.

[Rod_Cloutier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m a bit surprised no moon landing conspiracy theorists have chimed in yet. I know there have to be some out there.

[SeaGypsy]

I've seen all of those points & more. Conflicting shadow directions, lack of a crater under the lander, photos with glints of light suggesting use of suspension cables, wind blowing, flaps on suits being left undone & catching in the air as the astronauts jump around, etc. The moon buggy is ludicrous of course & where the hell did they hide it when they left? Maybe some Apollo missions really went there but probably not manned. The whole program was a psyop about the cold war. Of course peeps want to believe it was real, especially American peeps. The idea their government could fabricate such a hoax is beyond most yanks comprehension. Whatever. When someone shows me a non doctored photograph of the rover still sitting there waiting to go for a moon cruise I will revisit. Until then I will stick with psyops theory.

[Rod_Cloutier]

Like 9/11, there are so many inconsistancies with the story, you really don't know what to believe. Do you base your belief system on a social narrative and what you see on TV, or do you basis your belief system on evidence?

For example the apollo 11 astronauts once claimed that 'They cried watching the Earth rise in the sky over the moon'. This is a touching narrative, one we could all put ourselves in their shoes and imagine. However the moon is tidally locked to the Earth, this means there would be no Earthrises or Earthset's to be seen.

What is real? What is truth?

[SeaGypsy]

P, the Apollo rover should be absurdly easy to find on the moon, it wasn't a micro. There are tons of questions that will never be answered by the administration, like with 9/11, if 'most' Americans believe the official line of 'evidence'- it's mission accomplished.

[SeaGypsy]

I gave up giving a hoot what people think a long time ago Peter. They are either prepared to question the status quo belief in crap like 9/11 & the Apollo missions or they are not.

[Plantagenet]

here are the Apollo landing sites as photographed in 2011.

nasa-apollo-moon-landing-sites-photos-

cheers!


Look! Its an Apollo moon landing site photographed from space in 2011!!!

[SeaGypsy]

Why the crappy b&w? Why the crappy resolution? My wife's iPhone produces better images.

[Rod_Cloutier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ASA has published spectacular photos of the Apollo landing sites taken from one of our satellite telescopes. You can see the module, the lunar rover, and even the footprints of individual astronauts as well as the track of the rover.

Its way cool stuff.