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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby Cog » Tue 21 Jul 2015, 23:31:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'N')on Conspiracy theorists find comfort in official narratives due to the chaotic nature of events that they can't understand for themselves. They can't control the events in the world and it scares them. By accepting official narratives of what they are told is working behind the scenes, they are comforted in much the same way a child finds comfort in a teddy bear.


(Fixed it for ya Cog[emoji12] )


LOL That was actually quite good.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby ennui2 » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 16:29:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'N')on Conspiracy theorists find comfort in official narratives due to the chaotic nature of events that they can't understand for themselves. They can't control the events in the world and it scares them. By accepting official narratives of what they are told is working behind the scenes, they are comforted in much the same way a child finds comfort in a teddy bear.


(Fixed it for ya Cog[emoji12] )


Conspiracy theorist respond to skeptics with all the nuance of "No I'm not. YOU ARE!"
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby ennui2 » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 16:33:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') would not say it is a mind game. Their is nothing to be gained by investigating and having opinions on these matters. Their is not any ulterior motive. I speak for myself as my underlying reason to investigate certain matters is curiosity and wishing to know what may be the "truth".


While you're spending all this time researching, maybe study up on the difference between their and there.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby ennui2 » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 16:42:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')But what about 93 and the Pentagon. Those planes did not exist on the ground where they were supposed to have hit the ground. What happened to them? Where did they go? Who hid the fuselages? Didn't anyone witness this massive magic trick of disappearing people? Hard to explain away hundreds of bodies and two large planes.


Are you actually telling me your a troother pstarr? As if my opinion of your intellect couldn't go any lower. The planes did exist. They even have video footage of one of them passing a security camera. Most of the evidence used to raise doubts about the official explanation has been debunked many times over and yet these arguments keep passing around like urban myth, because the myth is more attractive than the reality.

I could sit here day in and day out and engage in a turkey-shoot with troothers over every one of their points of evidence but it's the nature of the troother mindset to just ignore the data, dig in their heels, and double-down.

The irony is that doomers who study limits-to-growth issues should, if they study the issues long enough, be quite versed in human psychology, especially when it comes to cognitive dissonance and magical thinking, and yet when it comes to this stuff, people just clutch at the CTs the same way the ultra-religious insist that GW is a scam and the earth is only 6,000 years old. Doomerism SHOULD push people towards cold science-based rationalism, not tinfoil. But it's a chicken and the egg thing. Are doomers made doomers because of the facts, or were they predisposed to be doomers because they were already virulently anti-BAU due to some other axes to grind (including 911 trooth). My money is on the latter. The real intelligent doomers have largely left the building, so to speak, and the ones who remain are a little "off".

A really tinfoily doomer is really not that far off from a Glenn Beck nutcase. If you construct your reality around always searching for a villain around every corner you're really not looking at the world as it is. Sometimes things happen without representing the guiding hand of a smoking-man cabal pushing buttons on HAARP or what have you.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby SeaGypsy » Wed 22 Jul 2015, 19:16:53

Mos is very defensive of his mostly OK teddy bear.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby onlooker » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:19:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ennui2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') would not say it is a mind game. Their is nothing to be gained by investigating and having opinions on these matters. Their is not any ulterior motive. I speak for myself as my underlying reason to investigate certain matters is curiosity and wishing to know what may be the "truth".


While you're spending all this time researching, maybe study up on the difference between their and there.

Excuse me but in the context above I am using the correct THEIR. Maybe we consult a linguist.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby onlooker » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:24:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') could sit here day in and day out and engage in a turkey-shoot with troothers over every one of their points of evidence but it's the nature of the troother mindset to just ignore the data, dig in their heels, and double-down.

Tell you what Ennui, just refute 5 of the issues which 911 truthers argue as being odd or inconsistent with the official version. Those on my side I am sure would love to be proven wrong. It is not pleasant thinking that our government would be involved.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby Cog » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:24:47

You used "their" incorrectly, given the structure of the sentence and its context.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby Cog » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:26:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') could sit here day in and day out and engage in a turkey-shoot with troothers over every one of their points of evidence but it's the nature of the troother mindset to just ignore the data, dig in their heels, and double-down.

Tell you what Ennui, just refute 5 of the issues which 911 truthers argue as being odd or inconsistent with the official version. Those on my side I am sure would love to be proven wrong. It is not pleasant thinking that our government would be involved.


Why should he bother? The NIST investigative team already refuted every single one. But of course they are in on the conspiracy. :lol:
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby onlooker » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:28:53

It that so. I do not think so.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby Pops » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:29:52

http://www.grammar.cl/english/there-their-they-are.htm

Their is to do with people and there to do with place/existence
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby onlooker » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:31:01

"Why should he bother? The NIST investigative team already refuted every single one. But of course they are in on the conspiracy."
I think it is the other way around. 911truth.org has refuted many of the conclusions of NIST.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby Cog » Thu 23 Jul 2015, 17:33:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '&')quot;Why should he bother? The NIST investigative team already refuted every single one. But of course they are in on the conspiracy."
I think it is the other way around. 911truth.org has refuted many of the conclusions of NIST.



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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby JV153 » Tue 28 Jul 2015, 03:16:46

On a different note, I went down and sat in a church a few years back and the priest or caretaker (he didn't mention his name) comes up to me and says what sounded somewhat apologetically, "so the church makes money off of weddings and stuff", and I chuckled knowing that "stuff" is a really old word.

What wasn't so funny is that I had watched that Carlin skit about stuff a few weeks earlier and nobody's interested in my university calculus papers.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby davep » Tue 28 Jul 2015, 03:58:41

The Jews controlling the world thing isn't all that far fetched. Bankers have modified the process of money creation so that they basically create fiat money out of thin air and we (governments, corporations, and people) all get indebted in the process. Bankers therefore have huge power over the rest of society (which would explain the lack of much-needed banking reform since 2008, coupled with huge subsidies to the banks to keep them going "for the good of the economy").

In the middle ages in Europe, Jews were not allowed to enter normal professions nor own land. They were stuck with dishonourable professions such as money-lending. The Rothschilds were famously very good at that.

Now, I don't claim that all sinister bankers are Jews, because it would be silly to suggest that were the case. But he who controls the purse strings has you by the balls. And if a large number of the bankers were Jews it would certainly explain the apparently irrational US deference to the Israel lobby.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby onlooker » Tue 28 Jul 2015, 04:06:58

From my reading up, I am led to the conclusion that yes Banking is the mother of all dishonorable professions. That it has Dave aptly stated has society in it's grip. Which is why the very rich and powerful are so immersed in it. Think the Rothchild family.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby SeaGypsy » Tue 28 Jul 2015, 05:27:55

I'm out on a limb on this, but I do have Jewish family & long association with Jewish people in Australia.

I believe there is certainly a Jewish financial elite, one of maybe a handful of financial cabals in charge of maybe half the private wealth in the world. I believe a few Jews ran 9/11. However I am pro Zionist, in the following context:

The Jewish (Ashkenazi cultural hybrid called Judaism) cultural construct in Israel represents the best leadership of any country in the region. The example set in the financial world (with strength based on private usury free loans system & investing always in their own young) & in the agricultural world (feeding many millions from a tiny desertified land), tolerance of pluralist society, generally preferring rule of Law in the western sense.

The middle east & really the whole MENA is ground zero for ELM, AGW & PopBomb (tm) besides being tin pot crazy. Secularism should be supported. Israel represents the only secular government in the region. Erdogan is less trustworthy than a snake, as he proved yesterday. Secular Islam sans strongman has failed to emerge, Obama's true regret.
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby davep » Tue 28 Jul 2015, 05:47:51

Some Jews being involved in the global financial power-grab doesn't have any bearing on Jews generally, obviously.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ecularism should be supported. Israel represents the only secular government in the region. Erdogan is less trustworthy than a snake, as he proved yesterday. Secular Islam sans strongman has failed to emerge, Obama's true regret.


Our governments seem hell-bent on destroying the secular (strongman) regimes in Islamic countries anyway. As Islam isn't really compatible with secular governance due to its political Sharia component, I think strongmen are generally the only way to impose it (Tunisia being an exception at the moment, because the Islamists were so inept in government).
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Re: Yes I am a conspiracy theorist

Postby SeaGypsy » Tue 28 Jul 2015, 05:59:34

I think Syria will be the end of this adventurism. I believe Obama really did have great intent in the MENA. He bit off way more than he could chew, destroyed 3 countries, maybe more, created a monster.
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