[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'C')og isn't trolling, unfortunately a good portion of Americans feel exactly as he does.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'I') vote for Pops to be Bernie Sanders vice president

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')avep/tikib, you do realize that electricity is not a transport fuel? Have either one of you actually ever been on an electric automobile? Train? Electric plane? Electric ship?

[PrestonSturges]

I believe the correct grammar would be "If I were king of the world."

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'C')og isn't trolling, unfortunately a good portion of Americans feel exactly as he does.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he bastardization of religion to justify one's own prejudice is as old as religion and as new as ISIS

[Quinny]

Well I wouldn't think it would be wise for a king to trust science like this!

Did anyone check it out?

http://www.yottawatts.net/index.html

[americandream]

Pops

If someone is poor and pale and angry and attacking someone who is dark and poor and angry, can you see the clash there between the pale mans conscious potential and his subjective self destruction. Religion just adds an extra layer of subjectivity thus locking him into a spiral of self destruction. If he were to join forces with a pale demagogue who gained power by sheer power of personality then of course he could achieve greater access to commodities and even rent by killing another pale guy with an odd skull cap and beard and taking his capital by force but I dont think that evolution quite contemplates that as the evolutionary path designated for the conscious species pale or dark.

Cog is in a nightmare of ignorance unfortunately. Too many are in the what is largely secular US. Which is why it progresses in fits and starts. But to the countrys credit the forces of progression are resolute.

[C8]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'P')ops

If someone is poor and pale and angry and attacking someone who is dark and poor and angry, can you see the clash there between the pale mans conscious potential and his subjective self destruction. Religion just adds an extra layer of subjectivity thus locking him into a spiral of self destruction. If he were to join forces with a pale demagogue who gained power by sheer power of personality then of course he could achieve greater access to commodities.

[americandream]

c8

There should be no notions of anything in objective material dialecticism, only tendencies. Capitalism is a mix of pure objectivity and feudalism, privilege in this instance being merit based which is a more objective form of privilege. Hereditary privilege whether based in darkness of the exterior or the social position of an individual is fedual which Rhodesia was. Mugabe sought to take this peasant based society to full circular modernity in one swift transition and that was bound to fail as the likelihood of agents being subjective in this instance are very high.

We have to go through the modernity transition or else agents must be supremely objective. The US has a real advantage in being steeped in modernism but it cannot run counter to the forces of progress or it will regress and fail. Collectively as a species if this trend were to occur planet wide, we are destined for extinction.

I encourage you to abandon subjective ignorance and contemplate history through clear lenses. it is very informative and perversly can make an efficient capitalist of you.

[Cog]

In all my journeys on the internet, I have yet to find a place more humorless than this one. When this thread started, I looked forward to seeing how the hard left atheists would conduct themselves if given unlimited power. I was not disappointed in the result. Apparently the discussion of killing millions of people to protect Gaia raises not an eyebrow here.

So in an endeavor to hold up a reverse mirror for the usual suspects to see, I decided to post the very stereotype that Christians, Republicans, and fiscal conservatives are stamped with here on this board. Not only was it believed that I wanted to beat up hippies, but Lawrence Welk and Leave it to Beaver. Really guys? Are you folks for real?

Its a thread about Being the King of the World for God's sake. Have you all lost your sense of sarcasm and humor?

No folks. Most Christians, conservative, Republicans do not want to beat you up or subject you to reruns of Father Knows Best. Most simply want to be left alone by you and the statist government on steroids that you love.

By the way, hippies could use some help with their hygiene. PM me and I will send you some shampoo and soap. Just because you hug nature doesn't mean you need to smell like it.

[SeaGypsy]

Funny, you beat me to it Cog. Probably saved me a beating too! (I had to sleep on your prompt yesterday & woke with it clear as you just stated.

To go a little further, perhaps there are 3 main positions on this/

1/ there is no serious problem, the doomers are mad & there is no need for radical change, nor is such change likely in the nearish future. Transition is underway & timely.

2/ TS is about to/ has just HTF. the only way 'we' can survive is through radical government intervention, very likely including manufacturing peak population asap. Transition must be forced with urgency.

3/ There may or may not be a terrible threat of extinction of our species, but either way there is pretty much not much I can do beyond my own little life & as long as I am able to reconcile how I live, everyone & anyone wants to dictate how I live can taste my f'ing boot. Transition is inevitable.

Of course there are hybrid views, Gods & Gaia, & of course there is disagreement. Interesting how these issues sometimes bring together folks who normally would not associate.

Personally I am with Newfie, Ibon, Cog, Pops & Carinke. Newfie for his happy resignation to sailing away over the horizon, one day. Ibon for building an amazing refuge for people & nature. Cog for sticking by his community. Pops for being the genius dirt farmer. Carinke for home scale green ingenuity. These are all people focused on doing, & on being true to themselves. I don't recall any of this bunch advocating genocide, despite projections of horror by certain posters at Ibon's characatuer 'the Overshoot Predator' which isn't much different really from handing what religious people call Godly Authority back to nature, a very different proposal.

[americandream]

@ Cog

Reading between the lines, I suspect that you are being anything but humerous. If you in addition characterise Ludditism as the left, you clearly dont know a friend when you meet one.

Objective socialism cannot be genocidal, that is not a tendency. Subjective socialisms such as National Socialism, revisionist forms (Maoism for example) will be genocidal as they flow from an incomplete use of consciousness which is fonder of labels than real understanding.

You are much closer to the Luddites on here and their vocal defence of you is testimony to that. So I would not bite the hand that feeds you. It would pay to cultivate them as they a quite close to hierarchical preference. I have yet to see anything you write that makes sense enough for me to want to subscribe to your views but I am a very small minority.

Having said that, this last post was not bad by debating standards so keep it up. Just go easy on the Luddites. I would if I was of your inclination as that is the smart move of you wish to spread your message of feudal renaissance.

[SeaGypsy]

You don't get it AD. Cog isn't just having a joke with you, he hates you. Something you best get used to as you develop your manifesto.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Y')ou don't get it AD. Cog isn't just having a joke with you, he hates you. Something you best get used to as you develop your manifesto.

[Cog]

Thanks SeaGypsy for illustrating the 3 main groups that inhabit this board. I have no issues with those who advocate and live a low consumption lifestyle. Some years ago I adopted that lifestyle myself. But I CHOOSE to do so. I do not want that choice thrust upon on me by some activist or some government who believes they know better than me how to live my life. Womb to tomb socialism is on the rise in the USA and I want no part of the process.

What is so bizarre, IMO, is that some of the same folks who argue for localization and a more simple life, absolutely love the heavy hand of a federal government to force this on everyone. There is where I part company with their argument.

If we are truly doomed, which I doubt in the short term, then let me eat my steak and drive my truck in peace.

As far as hating AD. I hate what he stands for, when I can even understand what he is posting, which isn't often.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')hanks SeaGypsy for illustrating the 3 main groups that inhabit this board. I have no issues with those who advocate and live a low consumption lifestyle. Some years ago I adopted that lifestyle myself. But I CHOOSE to do so. I do not want that choice thrust upon on me by some activist or some government who believes they know better than me how to live my life. Womb to tomb socialism is on the rise in the USA and I want no part of the process.

What is so bizarre, IMO, is that some of the same folks who argue for localization and a more simple life, absolutely love the heavy hand of a federal government to force this on everyone. There is where I part company with their argument.

If we are truly doomed, which I doubt in the short term, then let me eat my steak and drive my truck in peace.

As far as hating AD. I hate what he stands for, when I can even understand what he is posting, which isn't often.

[sparky]

.
cog , I'm at a loss , are you in favor of the metric system ????
if not I mark you as an infidel and unbeliever , barely worthy of filling a ditch as fertilizer !

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
cog , I'm at a loss , are you in favor of the metric system ????
if not I mark you as an infidel and unbeliever , barely worthy of filling a ditch as fertilizer !

[SeaGypsy]

Still missing the point. Cog & me, & other 'morons' in your view, are not waiting to have our minds changed, we are waiting to kill your army.

If it makes killing your guys easier to give them labels of derision, this is in keeping with the traditions of war, yet who in this debate is underestimating their enemy?