[vision-master]

How will ppl get to work without autos?

[neocone]

Nothing like an SS-18 Satan to reduce world population on a massive scale... or destroy entire countries. Fire a few into China and India and -2 billion people in no time. Russia won't disarm the savagely powerful SS-18 and now says they will be kept until 2019.
People do FORGET what Oppenheimer said: "I have become Death, destroyer of Worlds!"

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('neocone', 'N')othing like an SS-18 Satan to reduce world population on a massive scale... or destroy entire countries. Fire a few into China and India and -2 billion people in no time.. Russia won't disarm the savagely powerful SS-18 and now says they will be kept until 2019.
People do FORGET what Oppenheimer said: "I have become Death, destroyer of Worlds!"

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'h')ow many people in the countryside, cultivate like this?

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'T')hey say one person working full-time all year can turn, plant, cultivate and harvest up to 5 acres with only a shovel and hoe (of easy enough to work ground) which should be enough for the farmer and a couple or 5 more people. I use this technigue although only work at it about 2 hours a day and work quite effectively over a half of an acre of extremely difficult ground. I'm clearing more land here and hope to be working 2 to 3 acres in a couple years, again with only a shovel, hoe, a few incidental small tools and organic methods.

[hillsidedigger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'h')ow many people in the countryside, cultivate like this?

[rangerone314]

In my small scale gardens weeds are not a huge factor yet, boundaries probably hinder them a little. Grass is my biggest bane so far.

I have a crescent shaped woods to the south and west (and a tiny bit of the north). The east is a road.

I'm gradually working towards the permanent elimination of all weeds. Only thing so far that's even been a minor factor has been crabgrass and that comes up very easily in my asparagus and herb beds. (I basically uprooted clayish soil a foot down and mixed it with compost, peat, sand, and claybreaker, so now I have basically really soft soft soil there.)

I timed everything so I think I can do 4,000 sqFt by next spring, and have even more garden space, hopefully 24,000sqFt of intensive beds within 5 or 6 years.

Its also fun seeing how some of the plum size radishes have just basically POPPED out of the ground when they are done.

I looked for peak oil in that survey but I wasn't able to find the icon for it.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', 'm')y guess is a practice that will not be sustained for long.

[socrates1fan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', '[')
Having been raised in the Midwest, and still living here, I think you're completely full of crap.

Of course, I live in Michigan, and if Michigan and Ohio are examples of what's going to happen in the midwest, we'll end up in an absolutely crushing depression. Not many of us around here making a living on the farm. And at this point, with ag costs not falling much, ag products dropping in price, and now ag land falling in value, the real farmers aren't doing too well either.

And in my part of the midwest, half of what I see is sprawl, marshmallows in SUVS, and McMansions on postage stamp lots. Dunno, maybe they could put up a grapevine on the side of their house. They'd probably like those pretty gold-colored bugs, until someone told them they were japanese beetles and that's what caused all the holes in the grape leaves.

[kjmclark]

So what you meant to say was that in small town, rural midwestern areas, people will do well. I might agree with that, if they can get used to life in the country without driving much. Sorry, but you generalized it to the whole midwest, and it looks to me like there are sizable chunks of the midwest that are hosed.

WRT to the japanese beetles, read it again. I was describing what the suburbanites might say. If "everyone" despised them where you grew up, then you grew up somewhere where they know their bugs. Around here, also in the midwest, most people can't tell a japanese beetle from a gypsy moth from an ash borer. And yes, I've also lived in the midwest all my life. Rest assured, I know the difference between those quite well.

[kjmclark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')hat are you growing on 6 acres, how much are you producing?

[socrates1fan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', 'S')o what you meant to say was that in small town, rural midwestern areas, people will do well. I might agree with that, if they can get used to life in the country without driving much. Sorry, but you generalized it to the whole midwest, and it looks to me like there are sizable chunks of the midwest that are hosed.

WRT to the japanese beetles, read it again. I was describing what the suburbanites might say. If "everyone" despised them where you grew up, then you grew up somewhere where they know their bugs. Around here, also in the midwest, most people can't tell a japanese beetle from a gypsy moth from an ash borer. And yes, I've also lived in the midwest all my life. Rest assured, I know the difference between those quite well.

[Tanada]

More opinion leaders are coming around to realizing this Century will not be America's, so to speak. Much more at the link below the quote.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak America? Yes. We’re on the downside? Yes. Not exceptional? No. The questions come up a lot lately. In a Time magazine review of his new book “Superpower: Three Choices for America in the World,” foreign policy expert Ian Bremmer asks the blunt ones:

“What role does President Barack Obama believe America should play in the world? His words and his actions tell different stories,” says Bremmer. Bottom line, “words aside, Obama’s deeds suggest he’s not acting so much as reacting to crises as they appear.”

In his earlier best-seller, “Every Nation for Itself: What Happens When No One Leads the World?” Bremmer saw America’s spliting apart as a reflection of a global trend. He sees us living in a new “G-Zero, the new world order in which no single country or durable alliance of countries can meet the challenges of global leadership ... What happens when the G-20 doesn’t work and the G-7 is history?”

The big question: “Have we hit Peak America?” asked the elite Foreign Policy magazine last year. Yes. The cover was a mess, total confusion, chaos, fragmentation. Yes, everything’s peaking. We talk a good game about exceptionalism. But our internecine political conflicts prevent us from delivering on the braggadocio.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')I'm gradually working towards the permanent elimination of all weeds.

[DesuMaiden]

I don't believe peak oil will lead to a die off scenario, but it will certainly cause the economy to collapse.

[SeaGypsy]

No worries then, food grows on trees.

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'N')o worries then, food grows on trees.