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Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby Blizzard » Wed 29 Jun 2005, 23:44:49

I came across this site a couple of years ago. Today it seems more relevant now that I'm aware of peak oil.

Here is an excerpt from their site. http://www.blacklightpower.com

BlackLight Power Inc., is the pioneer of technology based on the patented process of releasing chemical energy from hydrogen called the "BlackLight Process." More specifically, energy is released as the electrons of hydrogen atoms are induced by a catalyst to transition to lower-energy levels (i.e. drop to lower base orbits around each atom's nucleus) corresponding to fractional quantum numbers. The lower-energy atomic hydrogen product called "hydrino" reacts with another reactant supplied to the reaction cell to form a hydride ion bound to the other reactant to constitute a novel proprietary compound. As hydrogen atoms are normally found bound together as molecules, molecular hydrogen is dissociated into atomic hydrogen in the cell by a hot metal catalyst, by a glow discharge plasma, or a microwave plasma. A gaseous catalyst is formed from a source of catalyst by the exemplary methods of heating a nonvolatile catalyst such as potassium metal to form atomic potassium catalysts or by ionizing a gas such as helium to form catalyst. The catalyst causes the normal hydrogen atoms to transition to lower-energy states by allowing their electrons to fall to smaller radii around the nucleus with a release of energy that is intermediate between chemical and nuclear energies. The reaction creates or greatly intensifies a plasma (a hot ionized glowing gas). The products are power, plasma, light, and proprietary novel compounds.

Laboratory scale devices demonstrating means of extracting the energy have been operated at the Company and at independent laboratories. Results to date indicate that the process can eventually provide economically competitive products in a wide range of applications including lighting, thermal, electric power generation, and motive power.

The Company's plasma energy cells, even in prototype stage, are frequently operating at power densities rivaling those of internal combustion engines with hundreds of times the energy release as combustion of the hydrogen fuel with room temperature start-up and high-temperature capability, commercially important features. The plasma is permissive of a direct plasma-to-electric conversion technology, as well as the production of electricity by conventional heat engines. The Company currently believes that the scale-up of energy cells to commercial power generation levels will require the application of existing industry knowledge in catalysis and power engineering.
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Postby greyarea » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 05:03:43

Ill bite: a Cornocupian ?
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Postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 05:22:50

Perpetual-motion geeks are ALWAYS cornucopians, and they can never understand why people and the earth and the Universe itself would not be helped by humanity getting, finally, limitless free power.

Oh yeah, and it's always limitless.
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Postby mrflora » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 13:31:58

I belong to the hydrino study group (http://www.hydrino.org). Dr. Randell Mills has constructed a new "classical" quantum theory that predicts the existence of bound electrons with a fractional quantum number, leading to the possibility of energy release through the creation of shrunken hydrogen atoms or "hydrinos". There are basically two kinds of people in the group: theoretical physicists, who see that Mills has made fundamental errors in his math, and experimentalists, who read Mills' papers describing plasma experiments and see evidence of anomalous energy release.

I personally think that Mills has got his theory wrong, but that he may have discovered a new effect in his experiments. The trouble is that few scientists outside Mills' circle (i.e. those who are being paid by Blacklight Power) are trying to duplicate his results. This may be because they don't take the theory seriously, therefore dismiss the experiments out of hand.

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Postby khebab » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 15:39:44

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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby EnviroEngr » Sun 06 Nov 2005, 20:24:24

Carrie's News Post suggests this is back in play.

Must investigate.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby Falconoffury » Sun 06 Nov 2005, 22:16:55

Every single person to make a major advancement in science has been called a quack by most of the scientific community. If you dismiss Randell Mills out of hand, you are just reliving the mistakes of the past.

Current theoretical physicists will probably say that his math is flawed because they are using currently accepted quantum physics as a point of reference. This guy is trying to rewrite the book on quantum physics. If he can truly create up to 1000 times the heat of conventional fuel on a machine powered by water, then he should be taken seriously. Just don't dismiss him so quickly, and keep your eye on how this develops. Given time, we will know if this is a scam, or if it's true.
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Postby aldente » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 04:43:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrflora', 'D')r. Randell Mills has constructed a new "classical" quantum theory that predicts the existence of bound electrons with a fractional quantum number, leading to the possibility of energy release through the creation of shrunken hydrogen atoms or "hydrinos".

The last time I heard something somewhat similar like that was refered to those as "neutrinos". What you post here sounds as if someone leashed a bunch of pincher dogs together on the daily walk in the hope for the hydrodgen abomb not to unfold.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby Keith_McClary » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 04:49:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'C')urrent theoretical physicists will probably say that his math is flawed because they are using currently accepted quantum physics as a point of reference. This guy is trying to rewrite the book on quantum physics.
At best he is not explaining his ideas very well - it certainly comes across as quackery. His papers devote pages to textbook mathematical equations, such as rotations in three dimensions and multipole expansions, which look impressive, but he does not make clear what his physical theory consists of. It should be possible to state the physical principles without making arbitrary assumptions about boundary conditions on wave equations, etc.

For example, Newton's theory of classical mechanics can be expressed in terms of three "laws" without a lot of math. Similarly, electromagnetism.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby Dan998 » Thu 17 Nov 2005, 02:37:50

Sounds like something from the Sci Fi Channel.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby grabby » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 02:53:10

Energy must come from somewhere.

I remember cold fusion and a lot os scientists tried to reproduce the technology and no one had the guts to call it fake.

The inventor was honest but really not very bright or exacting.

I remember a scientist who worked with nuclear materials wrote a brief sentance online back then
He said"Where does this energy come from? Cold Fusion? If enough fusion of hydrogen occured to raise the temperautre in the reactant vessel one degree everyone in the room would be dead from neutron poisoning. Its fake"

He didn't even set up a test.

We have to ask where this energy comes from then write out the equation completely and count the joules and the reactants and visualize it.

1 pentillion neutrinos would have sterilized the lab and killed not only the scientists but all the bacteria in their gut, so they would be found mummified hundreds of years later (or watever)

Cold fusion is right up there with "Alternate energy will replace oil"
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby grabby » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 02:58:57

If we have a wheel, large and heavy, and we shield half of it from gravity, the tremendous weight of the other half will spin that sucker so fast you could power a steamship across the ocean with no oil.

Now, the problem is to build a gravity shield.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby clv101 » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 03:07:20

I think the challenge is that what's proposed doesn’t fit with the current understanding of particle physics and quantum mechanics. This makes it sound as impossible to us as nuclear fission or fusion would have sounded to Joseph Thompson back in 1898 whilst developing the 'plum pudding' model of the atom. Thompson was a leading physicist of the time but working before Plank had proposed quantisation, Einstein had proposed the photon and wave particle duality and a full decade before Rutherford had even discovered atoms have a tiny, dense, positive nucleus.

I think it's unwise to dismiss out of hand something that doesn't fit the accepted understanding, especially anything to do with quantum mechanics and particles physics where there is still a lot we don't understand and discoveries are still being made today.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby Keith_McClary » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 05:11:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'I')f we have a wheel, large and heavy, and we shield half of it from gravity, the tremendous weight of the other half will spin that sucker so fast you could power a steamship across the ocean with no oil.

Now, the problem is to build a gravity shield.
A levity :-D shield on one side would work just as well. Like this:

steamship

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D <--levity gravity--> :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

I'm not sure where the steam comes into the equation though.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby katkinkate » Fri 18 Nov 2005, 08:13:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'I')f we have a wheel, large and heavy, and we shield half of it from gravity, the tremendous weight of the other half will spin that sucker so fast you could power a steamship across the ocean with no oil.

Now, the problem is to build a gravity shield.


Actually I think it would just turn till the unshielded bit was on the bottom, maybe rock a bit til it stabilized. It would take an input of energy to get that unshielded half back to the top to drop it again. That is if the shield was fixed to one half of the wheel.

I suppose If the shield was separate and fixed in position around one half of the wheel and the wheel spun independently inside, the weight of the unshielded bit would make the wheel spin. However I would suspect that if such a shield was possible, it would take as much or more energy to run as it would be to just spin the wheel mechanically.
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Re: Has anyone heard of Black Light Power?

Postby chrisblythe » Thu 05 Jan 2006, 02:36:53

I would take a proper look at Rany Mills and Blacklight power before dismissing it out of hand, I have been following their progress for 10 years, have read the 10,000 odd posts and the bought the 1000 page theory. Nasa have had posative results, I am working on Mills type experiments myself and others are also. Why do you dismiss so easily and quickly before you rush to judgement do your homework. With all our science we dont even know what gravity is. Our science hasnt even scratched the surface. Personally I am rather glad that these efforts exist, we will have a way to maintain our civilisation and cleanly plus it offers a whole new materials tech as well

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Re: Michael Lynch - Disputing Peak Oil

Postby caspasian » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 14:33:03

Please , people - don't get too hung up on oil, it is yesterday's fuel. Blacklight is the future.

http://www.blacklightpower.com/new.shtml


{brought over from Mike Lynch's Thread; EE}
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