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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Thu 21 May 2015, 23:28:56

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') College is a Cash Cow for those overpaid tenured Liberal professors that will tell you to go into this or that or just tell you just get your degree. . .

Oh great, here we go with the same right-wing buzzwords and talking points that are constantly pulled out for the masses. Exactly how stupid are people that they fall for things again and again and again...ad nauseam?

The vast majority of professors are part-time adjuncts with no job security whatsoever and a lot of the budget goes to coaches and administrators.

Don't listen to the facts though, just keep hating those evil, overpaid, liberal professors. :roll:
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 22 May 2015, 12:40:31

Given the fact that very few worldwide have college degrees, and that many cannot even finish primary or secondary school:

why-college-is-a-waste-of-time-t71249.html#p1244892

then one should consider the point that education in general remains very important, and will remain so even given multiple crises, including peak oil and global warming.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby GoghGoner » Fri 22 May 2015, 13:11:34

I would take your MTBI and look over the jobs recommended. If your chosen job requires a college degree to gain employment then go get that degree. You have to live in the present and not make decisions based upon some imaginary future scenario. The best thing you can do for the future is stay as healthy as possible since if we do lose some fossil slaves, you will out compete about 99% of our population in landing a manual labor job. I look around at kids today and cannot imagine them doing any kind of hard work.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Sun 24 May 2015, 19:42:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'G')iven the fact that very few worldwide have college degrees, and that many cannot even finish primary or secondary school:

why-college-is-a-waste-of-time-t71249.html#p1244892

then one should consider the point that education in general remains very important, and will remain so even given multiple crises, including peak oil and global warming.

I didn't say education isn't important. Of course education is important, but you don't need to go to college to be well-educated. Contrary to popular belief, education and schooling are not the same thing. You can be well-educated without receiving a lot of schooling. As long as you can read, write and do basic math, you can be well-educated these days. In most developed countries, an elementary and high school education teaches you the tools to become self-educated. Given that most people in developed countries have access to books and the Internet, they can easily become well-educated using their own intuitive without wasting tens of thousands of dollars in college. Basically, if you are literate, you can educate yourself to your heart's content. Hell, you don't even need a high school diploma to be well-educated if you have access to the Internet and books. These days college teaches you virtually nothing you can't learn on your own if you have access to the Internet and books.

Except for certain professions, like being a doctor or engineer, you need specialized training equipment that are only available at colleges, you can learn virtually everything using the Internet or books on your own. For example, a computer science degree is NOT necessary for learning anything about computers since you can learn virtually everything you need to know about computers using the Internet or books on your own. I am dead serious. College is a serious waste of time and money if you want to be well-informed or educated. Don't waste tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a college degree to make yourself feel smarter than other people. That's just stupid. If you want knowledge and information, the books and the Internet are your friends.

A college degree these days serves as nothing more than a rubber stamp requirement for entry into certain high-paying white-collared jobs such as being a doctor, lawyer, teacher or manager. Without the college degree as a requirement for these jobs, almost anyone could do these jobs. In order to keep the people in these jobs relatively well-paid, they purposely make it more difficult than it is necessary to enter these professions. And the best way to make it more difficult to enter these professions is by requiring people to acquire a very expensive college degree. The truth is you do not need a college degree to be a lawyer, but they require a college degree for this profession because the degree requirement makes it harder for people to be lawyers.

The main reason college exists is not as a center of knowledge or enlightenment. As a matter of a fact, most scientific discoveries and inventions were not made by people in colleges. The main reason college exists is to serve as a rubber stamp requirement for entering certain high-paying white-collared professions.

You do not need college for knowledge and enlightenment. The Internet and books enlightens people. College just provides people with the credentials for entering certain professions.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 24 May 2015, 20:00:03

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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 24 May 2015, 23:03:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'G')iven the fact that very few worldwide have college degrees, and that many cannot even finish primary or secondary school:

why-college-is-a-waste-of-time-t71249.html#p1244892

then one should consider the point that education in general remains very important, and will remain so even given multiple crises, including peak oil and global warming.

I didn't say education isn't important. Of course education is important, but you don't need to go to college to be well-educated. Contrary to popular belief, education and schooling are not the same thing. You can be well-educated without receiving a lot of schooling. As long as you can read, write and do basic math, you can be well-educated these days. In most developed countries, an elementary and high school education teaches you the tools to become self-educated. Given that most people in developed countries have access to books and the Internet, they can easily become well-educated using their own intuitive without wasting tens of thousands of dollars in college. Basically, if you are literate, you can educate yourself to your heart's content. Hell, you don't even need a high school diploma to be well-educated if you have access to the Internet and books. These days college teaches you virtually nothing you can't learn on your own if you have access to the Internet and books.

Except for certain professions, like being a doctor or engineer, you need specialized training equipment that are only available at colleges, you can learn virtually everything using the Internet or books on your own. For example, a computer science degree is NOT necessary for learning anything about computers since you can learn virtually everything you need to know about computers using the Internet or books on your own. I am dead serious. College is a serious waste of time and money if you want to be well-informed or educated. Don't waste tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a college degree to make yourself feel smarter than other people. That's just stupid. If you want knowledge and information, the books and the Internet are your friends.

A college degree these days serves as nothing more than a rubber stamp requirement for entry into certain high-paying white-collared jobs such as being a doctor, lawyer, teacher or manager. Without the college degree as a requirement for these jobs, almost anyone could do these jobs. In order to keep the people in these jobs relatively well-paid, they purposely make it more difficult than it is necessary to enter these professions. And the best way to make it more difficult to enter these professions is by requiring people to acquire a very expensive college degree. The truth is you do not need a college degree to be a lawyer, but they require a college degree for this profession because the degree requirement makes it harder for people to be lawyers.

The main reason college exists is not as a center of knowledge or enlightenment. As a matter of a fact, most scientific discoveries and inventions were not made by people in colleges. The main reason college exists is to serve as a rubber stamp requirement for entering certain high-paying white-collared professions.

You do not need college for knowledge and enlightenment. The Internet and books enlightens people. College just provides people with the credentials for entering certain professions.


Some of the things that will be need given future crises are people who can set up renewable energy systems, permaculture, intermediate and advanced health care, water storage and management, etc. Given the point that there are large numbers of people who will still be dependent on industrialization, then more highly-educated people will be needed to help them (or to teach them to help themselves) during any transition phase.

That's why even the same Internet and books needed to learn will still require extensive JIT systems and specialists who can make them available to a large global population, and later attempt to set up alternative systems when resources become more scarce.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Mon 25 May 2015, 16:47:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'G')iven the fact that very few worldwide have college degrees, and that many cannot even finish primary or secondary school:

why-college-is-a-waste-of-time-t71249.html#p1244892

then one should consider the point that education in general remains very important, and will remain so even given multiple crises, including peak oil and global warming.

I didn't say education isn't important. Of course education is important, but you don't need to go to college to be well-educated. Contrary to popular belief, education and schooling are not the same thing. You can be well-educated without receiving a lot of schooling. As long as you can read, write and do basic math, you can be well-educated these days. In most developed countries, an elementary and high school education teaches you the tools to become self-educated. Given that most people in developed countries have access to books and the Internet, they can easily become well-educated using their own intuitive without wasting tens of thousands of dollars in college. Basically, if you are literate, you can educate yourself to your heart's content. Hell, you don't even need a high school diploma to be well-educated if you have access to the Internet and books. These days college teaches you virtually nothing you can't learn on your own if you have access to the Internet and books.

Except for certain professions, like being a doctor or engineer, you need specialized training equipment that are only available at colleges, you can learn virtually everything using the Internet or books on your own. For example, a computer science degree is NOT necessary for learning anything about computers since you can learn virtually everything you need to know about computers using the Internet or books on your own. I am dead serious. College is a serious waste of time and money if you want to be well-informed or educated. Don't waste tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a college degree to make yourself feel smarter than other people. That's just stupid. If you want knowledge and information, the books and the Internet are your friends.

A college degree these days serves as nothing more than a rubber stamp requirement for entry into certain high-paying white-collared jobs such as being a doctor, lawyer, teacher or manager. Without the college degree as a requirement for these jobs, almost anyone could do these jobs. In order to keep the people in these jobs relatively well-paid, they purposely make it more difficult than it is necessary to enter these professions. And the best way to make it more difficult to enter these professions is by requiring people to acquire a very expensive college degree. The truth is you do not need a college degree to be a lawyer, but they require a college degree for this profession because the degree requirement makes it harder for people to be lawyers.

The main reason college exists is not as a center of knowledge or enlightenment. As a matter of a fact, most scientific discoveries and inventions were not made by people in colleges. The main reason college exists is to serve as a rubber stamp requirement for entering certain high-paying white-collared professions.

You do not need college for knowledge and enlightenment. The Internet and books enlightens people. College just provides people with the credentials for entering certain professions.


Some of the things that will be need given future crises are people who can set up renewable energy systems, permaculture, intermediate and advanced health care, water storage and management, etc. Given the point that there are large numbers of people who will still be dependent on industrialization, then more highly-educated people will be needed to help them (or to teach them to help themselves) during any transition phase.

That's why even the same Internet and books needed to learn will still require extensive JIT systems and specialists who can make them available to a large global population, and later attempt to set up alternative systems when resources become more scarce.

I agree. I am not saying college is always a waste of money and time. In some instances, you need to go to college to acquire certain skills such as being a doctor or engineer. But virtually everything these days can be learned on the Internet and books on your own. I haven't learned a single thing in college that I couldn't learn on my own using the Internet or books. If you want to set up a plan for surviving an upcoming natural disaster, then you can learn about it on the Internet or through books. You do not need to go to college to learn how to survive a shit-hit-the-fan (SHTF) scenario. In fact, it is very likely they don't teach you the knowledge of how to survive a SHTF scenario in college. College only teaches you skills and knowledge that matters when everything is business as usual. Since business as usual can't be maintained for much longer given the environmental degeneration we experienced in the past decades, you need to learn outside of college how to survive a SHTF scenario.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 26 May 2015, 04:57:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'G')iven the fact that very few worldwide have college degrees, and that many cannot even finish primary or secondary school:

why-college-is-a-waste-of-time-t71249.html#p1244892

then one should consider the point that education in general remains very important, and will remain so even given multiple crises, including peak oil and global warming.

I didn't say education isn't important. Of course education is important, but you don't need to go to college to be well-educated. Contrary to popular belief, education and schooling are not the same thing. You can be well-educated without receiving a lot of schooling. As long as you can read, write and do basic math, you can be well-educated these days. In most developed countries, an elementary and high school education teaches you the tools to become self-educated. Given that most people in developed countries have access to books and the Internet, they can easily become well-educated using their own intuitive without wasting tens of thousands of dollars in college. Basically, if you are literate, you can educate yourself to your heart's content. Hell, you don't even need a high school diploma to be well-educated if you have access to the Internet and books. These days college teaches you virtually nothing you can't learn on your own if you have access to the Internet and books.

Except for certain professions, like being a doctor or engineer, you need specialized training equipment that are only available at colleges, you can learn virtually everything using the Internet or books on your own. For example, a computer science degree is NOT necessary for learning anything about computers since you can learn virtually everything you need to know about computers using the Internet or books on your own. I am dead serious. College is a serious waste of time and money if you want to be well-informed or educated. Don't waste tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a college degree to make yourself feel smarter than other people. That's just stupid. If you want knowledge and information, the books and the Internet are your friends.

A college degree these days serves as nothing more than a rubber stamp requirement for entry into certain high-paying white-collared jobs such as being a doctor, lawyer, teacher or manager. Without the college degree as a requirement for these jobs, almost anyone could do these jobs. In order to keep the people in these jobs relatively well-paid, they purposely make it more difficult than it is necessary to enter these professions. And the best way to make it more difficult to enter these professions is by requiring people to acquire a very expensive college degree. The truth is you do not need a college degree to be a lawyer, but they require a college degree for this profession because the degree requirement makes it harder for people to be lawyers.

The main reason college exists is not as a center of knowledge or enlightenment. As a matter of a fact, most scientific discoveries and inventions were not made by people in colleges. The main reason college exists is to serve as a rubber stamp requirement for entering certain high-paying white-collared professions.

You do not need college for knowledge and enlightenment. The Internet and books enlightens people. College just provides people with the credentials for entering certain professions.


Some of the things that will be need given future crises are people who can set up renewable energy systems, permaculture, intermediate and advanced health care, water storage and management, etc. Given the point that there are large numbers of people who will still be dependent on industrialization, then more highly-educated people will be needed to help them (or to teach them to help themselves) during any transition phase.

That's why even the same Internet and books needed to learn will still require extensive JIT systems and specialists who can make them available to a large global population, and later attempt to set up alternative systems when resources become more scarce.

I agree. I am not saying college is always a waste of money and time. In some instances, you need to go to college to acquire certain skills such as being a doctor or engineer. But virtually everything these days can be learned on the Internet and books on your own. I haven't learned a single thing in college that I couldn't learn on my own using the Internet or books. If you want to set up a plan for surviving an upcoming natural disaster, then you can learn about it on the Internet or through books. You do not need to go to college to learn how to survive a shit-hit-the-fan (SHTF) scenario. In fact, it is very likely they don't teach you the knowledge of how to survive a SHTF scenario in college. College only teaches you skills and knowledge that matters when everything is business as usual. Since business as usual can't be maintained for much longer given the environmental degeneration we experienced in the past decades, you need to learn outside of college how to survive a SHTF scenario.


It should be noted that several texts from the Internet or from books are written by people with college degrees or are even published by colleges and universities, and that some of these texts may require some college education to understand.

Given that, I think what you mean is that one doesn't have to go to college because some of the things he needs to learn can come from those who did.

Finally, although SHTF is a worst-case scenario, we should assume a mix of fast and slow crashes in different areas or regions of the world.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 26 May 2015, 05:14:52

I'm pretty sure this guy is just filling time with blather because he's bored out of his wits, broke, no girlfriend, & basically because he is intensely lazy. The whole time he's been here he's like bubble boy. People here have repeatedly prompted him to actually do something the entire several months. He ignores these posts & goes back to blather, or the latest version of Mario Brothers. He himself has become a topic around here, basically for being a nut. Watch out for squirrels.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 26 May 2015, 07:35:38

I figure his parents are still paying his rent and do not yet know he quit school.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby DesuMaiden » Sun 31 May 2015, 19:13:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '
')I didn't say education isn't important. Of course education is important, but you don't need to go to college to be well-educated. Contrary to popular belief, education and schooling are not the same thing. You can be well-educated without receiving a lot of schooling. As long as you can read, write and do basic math, you can be well-educated these days. In most developed countries, an elementary and high school education teaches you the tools to become self-educated. Given that most people in developed countries have access to books and the Internet, they can easily become well-educated using their own intuitive without wasting tens of thousands of dollars in college. Basically, if you are literate, you can educate yourself to your heart's content. Hell, you don't even need a high school diploma to be well-educated if you have access to the Internet and books. These days college teaches you virtually nothing you can't learn on your own if you have access to the Internet and books.

Except for certain professions, like being a doctor or engineer, you need specialized training equipment that are only available at colleges, you can learn virtually everything using the Internet or books on your own. For example, a computer science degree is NOT necessary for learning anything about computers since you can learn virtually everything you need to know about computers using the Internet or books on your own. I am dead serious. College is a serious waste of time and money if you want to be well-informed or educated. Don't waste tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a college degree to make yourself feel smarter than other people. That's just stupid. If you want knowledge and information, the books and the Internet are your friends.

A college degree these days serves as nothing more than a rubber stamp requirement for entry into certain high-paying white-collared jobs such as being a doctor, lawyer, teacher or manager. Without the college degree as a requirement for these jobs, almost anyone could do these jobs. In order to keep the people in these jobs relatively well-paid, they purposely make it more difficult than it is necessary to enter these professions. And the best way to make it more difficult to enter these professions is by requiring people to acquire a very expensive college degree. The truth is you do not need a college degree to be a lawyer, but they require a college degree for this profession because the degree requirement makes it harder for people to be lawyers.

The main reason college exists is not as a center of knowledge or enlightenment. As a matter of a fact, most scientific discoveries and inventions were not made by people in colleges. The main reason college exists is to serve as a rubber stamp requirement for entering certain high-paying white-collared professions.

You do not need college for knowledge and enlightenment. The Internet and books enlightens people. College just provides people with the credentials for entering certain professions.


Some of the things that will be need given future crises are people who can set up renewable energy systems, permaculture, intermediate and advanced health care, water storage and management, etc. Given the point that there are large numbers of people who will still be dependent on industrialization, then more highly-educated people will be needed to help them (or to teach them to help themselves) during any transition phase.

That's why even the same Internet and books needed to learn will still require extensive JIT systems and specialists who can make them available to a large global population, and later attempt to set up alternative systems when resources become more scarce.

I agree. I am not saying college is always a waste of money and time. In some instances, you need to go to college to acquire certain skills such as being a doctor or engineer. But virtually everything these days can be learned on the Internet and books on your own. I haven't learned a single thing in college that I couldn't learn on my own using the Internet or books. If you want to set up a plan for surviving an upcoming natural disaster, then you can learn about it on the Internet or through books. You do not need to go to college to learn how to survive a shit-hit-the-fan (SHTF) scenario. In fact, it is very likely they don't teach you the knowledge of how to survive a SHTF scenario in college. College only teaches you skills and knowledge that matters when everything is business as usual. Since business as usual can't be maintained for much longer given the environmental degeneration we experienced in the past decades, you need to learn outside of college how to survive a SHTF scenario.


It should be noted that several texts from the Internet or from books are written by people with college degrees or are even published by colleges and universities, and that some of these texts may require some college education to understand.

Given that, I think what you mean is that one doesn't have to go to college because some of the things he needs to learn can come from those who did.

Finally, although SHTF is a worst-case scenario, we should assume a mix of fast and slow crashes in different areas or regions of the world.

Where is your proof that you need a college education to understand these texts? You can understand any non-technical book without a college education. The only books that might require a college education to understand are maybe some books on advanced math such as vector calculus. Just because a book is written by someone with a college education doesn't mean you need a college education to understand it.

Like I mentioned, everything in life that actually matters can be learned on your own using the Internet and books. College is only necessary if you want to enter a white-collared profession that requires a degree like a doctor, teacher or a lawyer. The vast majority of jobs don't require a bachelor's degree, contrary to popular belief.

Like I mentioned already, there are too many people with university degrees. There aren't enough jobs that actually require a university degree for these people with university degrees. That's why over 60% of university graduates end up doing a job that absolutely does not require anymore education than a high school diploma if that. You have to remember the American Dream was not built by universities. It was built by hard-working blue-collared workers working in the manufacturing sector of the economy. Unfortunately, the USA is a shadow of its former self since most of its manufacturing industries have been outsourced to other countries specifically in Asia.

The most important jobs in society are the actually the ones that don't require any university education i.e. miners mining for gold, silver and other precious metals; drillers drilling for oil, natural gas and other commodities; farmers producing food; and factory workers producing goods that can be sold like computers, cars, and chairs.

University is a hype and scam. It doesn't produce a prosperous society. Only a handful of occupations actually require a university education like being a doctor, lawyer, teacher or engineer. And there are too many people applying for jobs that require university education. For example, there are too many lawyers and attorneys in the USA, because there are too many people with law degrees in the USA. This results in law school students having a very difficult time finding a job as a lawyer. What produces prosperity and wealth for a society is blue-collared jobs that require little formal education. While an education is important, most people do not need a university education. You are better off going to a community college and learning a practical skill and trade than going to university these days.

Watch this video to find out what jobs are actually in demand. Surprise! These jobs that are demand don't actually require a university degree!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzKzu86Agg0

Somebody's got to do the dirty work. Not everyone can have a comfortable, high-paying white collared job in an office in a big city that requires a university degree. Dirty work like being a farmer, plumber, electrician, wielder, factor worker, slaughterhouse worker and etc need applicants, too.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 31 May 2015, 20:53:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')omebody's got to do the dirty work. Not everyone can have a comfortable, high-paying white collared job in an office in a big city that requires a university degree. Dirty work like being a farmer, plumber, electrician, wielder, factor worker, slaughterhouse worker and etc need applicants, too.


Most of those "dirty jobs" require a qualification as well, in fact they all do! (these days) or at least they require extensive knowledge of the work involved.

Electrician for example has to understand the regulations that govern his job to ensure his safety and those of the end users of whatever he wires up to a live electrical circuit are maintained. this requires an electrical certificate of competency at the very least. I could go through all the other "dirty jobs" but you must get the message, to have a skill you need to do the training and the time and get the qualification!

Edit: FFS I'm 53 years old an I'm still having to train to maintain my skill set otherwise I'm out!
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 31 May 2015, 21:19:40

This guy is a total twit. Farmer, plumber, electrician & welder are serious occupations requiring years of study & technical expertise. How dirty you get means nothing.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 31 May 2015, 21:39:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')his guy is a total twit. Farmer, plumber, electrician & welder are serious occupations requiring years of study & technical expertise. How dirty you get means nothing.
You are a total twit. One does not receive a college degree to plumb, farm, weld or electrify. I do all that and I am country-learned. :razz:

But you do require the qualifications if you need to do those jobs as a paid employee!
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 31 May 2015, 21:49:26

Yeah right Pstar u boofhead. Try getting JOB unqualified doing any of these trades.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 31 May 2015, 21:50:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', '
')I agree. I am not saying college is always a waste of money and time. In some instances, you need to go to college to acquire certain skills such as being a doctor or engineer. But virtually everything these days can be learned on the Internet and books on your own.

Or not. People learn differently. MANY middle class people are basically functionally illiterate -- good luck expecting such people to get educated purely from reading.

Sure, some smart self-starters could peruse the internet, read books, etc. and get a functional education. (For me, learning history or many different soft sciences mostly on my own was a piece of cake. Intensive math courses, OTOH, not so much.)

MANY good jobs have companies requiring certain levels of "formal" education and they will not even LOOK at applications or resumes, unless a degree from an accredited college is indicated. Good luck claiming "but I educated myself!" to such companies/industries.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 31 May 2015, 22:03:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')Most of those "dirty jobs" require a qualification as well, in fact they all do! (these days) or at least they require extensive knowledge of the work involved.

Electrician for example has to understand the regulations that govern his job to ensure his safety and those of the end users of whatever he wires up to a live electrical circuit are maintained. this requires an electrical certificate of competency at the very least.

Excellent point. My electrician, for example, gets the nod for working on my house because he:

a). Has a degree in electrical engineering -- thus he actually understands the physics of electricity, and isn't just doing things because that's how he always did them. He actually THINKS about what is appropriate for each situation. After all, MANY older houses have unique or unusual features, including different electrical set-ups.

b). Can actually EXPLAIN with logic to me (the customer) the thought process and trade-offs for any expensive, complex, or potentially dangerous decision.

c). Thinks ahead. Redundant or completely separate circuits for critical systems like sump pumps, furnaces, etc. were one thing done when I had him rewire my basement. That way, if (for example) a sump pump blows a fuse, you don't lose the furnace circuit. Too many cowboy "I'm an electrician because I can run some wires" types don't think about such things, much less know the standards, the codes, and ensure things are truly done safely.
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Re: Why college is a waste of time.

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 31 May 2015, 23:43:19

To P, how many of those student loans were for courses in actual trade professions? (Dirty jobs) How many were in known high unemployment fields? How many to fresh out of high school people with zero work experience? My guess is most outstanding student debt would be for arts & humanities courses done by very young adults. Not trade skills (dirty!) Not mature students (with life & work experience enough to know what they want to do & sense to compromise to increase their chances, not inclined to having their phone welded to their hand.)

Who bears blame for useless courses still being in existence? (The funder, deliverer or student?) Who is responsible for job snobs (Desu) who feel they are owed a comfortable well paid position regardless of such vagaries as 'effort', 'humility' or willingness to work & to learn?

To my view Desu is a whiner. If he was my kid he would be in serious trouble.
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