[vtsnowedin]

You can look at a cow as a solar energy gathering and processing plant. She goes out and gathers grass growing in the sunlight and process it into milk and cream and beef which we find much more palatable then grass. The energy we spend on caring for the cow makes her life easier and more productive. You wouldn't get any milk out of a cow out on the free range in the winter but give her a free stall barn to shelter her from the winter and a bunk full of feed saved from the summer surplus and she can be milked ten months of the year.
Compared to the efficiency of photovoltaic panels she is a marvel of modern engineering.

[Pops]

Man I used to love brains and scrambled eggs! Super rich flavor, especially with fresh eggs from bug eating chickens. I'd bet the taste is so far from the bland over processed food we get today that most folks would gag - even if they didn't know what they were eating.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'M')an I used to love brains and scrambled eggs! Super rich flavor, especially with fresh eggs from bug eating chickens.

[sparky]

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The world need ever larger quantities of food , population grow leave no place for local sustainability
the sad reality is a smaller part of the world feed an increasing number of cities and countries

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/03/1 ... 6820150313

with 2% of its the population, about 8 millions people , the US feed 800 millions , that's why fossil fuel are needed
by the way since the food trade has gone global there has been NO famine , local production fail but there is enough deep reserves somewhere else which can be bought and transported cheaply

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
with 2% of its the population, about 8 millions people , the US feed 800 millions , that's why fossil fuel are needed

[sparky]

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Exports ! ...there is twenty countries which export , the rest buy
By the way its a massive political blackmail tool too , not much used but when it's brought into play it's not pretty
Nazi Germany used it against the Swiss , Swedes and Finns during WW2 ,
why a messy invasion if you can just watch them squirm

[dolanbaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '[')img]http://www.freegrab.net/food%20energy%20use.jpg[/img]

Obviously production is not the largest part of the problem even taking the entire range of foods into account.
http://are.berkeley.edu/~zilber11/Conway.pdf

[joyfulbozo]

Thanks for sharing you knowledge.

[fleance]

If I'm going to base that on chart posted. The biggest amount is in our house.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('fleance', 'I')f I'm going to base that on chart posted. The biggest amount is in our house.

[Pops]

Just went and took a look in the fridge, mostly out of season produce, prepared frozen nuke-junk and stuff that doesn't really need cooling because it is either fine without or is what it is because it was designed as a "preserve" to begin with - eggs, cheese, butter, "cold cuts", condiments, pickles.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'J')ust went and took a look in the fridge, mostly out of season produce, prepared frozen nuke-junk and stuff that doesn't really need cooling because it is either fine without or is what it is because it was designed as a "preserve" to begin with - eggs, cheese, butter, "cold cuts", condiments, pickles.