The odds that this is a western instigated coup are increasing. The west has pulled out all the stops to destabilize Russia and purge Putin. Maybe they have succeeded.
The idea of an internal palace coup by hard-liners loyal to Russian sovereignty is less believable although it can't be ruled out. Putin's popularity among Russians is extremely high. He is also very popular in the world. Any internal coup would have to be very aggressive against the desires of the Russian people. This doesn't sound like the behavior of a group of democratic hardliners loyal to the people of Russia.
A palace coup could have occurred, but it's more likely that if it did, these people have been bought off by the central bankers and the west.
We'll know which way the coup leans:
- if the coup occurred and
- if the new power center begins to make concessions to the coup government in Kiev, or
- if the new power center begins to get more aggressive with the coup government in Kiev
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Kremlin says Putin is "healthy," but not seen for a week
Re: Kremlin says Putin is "healthy," but not seen for a week
by PoliPsy » Sun 15 Mar 2015, 16:51:19
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Re: Kremlin says Putin is "healthy," but not seen for a week
by AgentR11 » Sun 15 Mar 2015, 17:48:49
Well, emergency services of Moscow seemed to function OK without Putin's direct intervention. Fire at the nearby convent bell tower was just extinguished; reports suggest (and video appears to confirm to my eye) that most of the fire involved the exterior scaffolding that was there for renovation. Structure is apparently still standing. Likely a lot of damage to the exterior surface.
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Re: Kremlin says Putin is "healthy," but not seen for a week
by Sixstrings » Sun 15 Mar 2015, 18:04:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')here is also one other problem. Right now, people do not believe, in the West, that Russia will use its nukes. The hardliners *need* to nuke a city, in order for Europe to take them seriously.
Short of "nuking a city," an option for them would be to use just a *tactical nuke* against Ukrainian army or something like that.
Tactical. They'd never, ever, nuke a whole city just off the cuff Agent -- they're Russians, not monsters.
But they won't even ever use a tactical nuke -- Ukraine will just bitterly hate them for another thousand years if they ever did that. Seriously, Russia has enough people it has pissed off and introducing nukes into the equation isn't a way to win friends and influence people.
Calm down about the nuke fears -- even assuming they wanted to go that route, there are a lot of brinksmanship steps they can do between here and there. The offensive strategic value of nukes is not in using them, but rather, just talking about using them.
They could do all kinds of things, without "pushing the button," like for example just make a public show of moving tactical nukes into Crimea, etc. They're walking a thin line with this stuff though. That line is making people think you're a little bit crazy, even though you aren't. And you never want to go totally crazy, because Russian people don't actually want to live in some kind of lunatic North Korea nuclear cult.
edit: my only concern about nukes and Russia is the same as with north korea; we have to be worried about accidents, and if there were ever a launch that would only happen if their government flies apart and some rogue lunatic is in charge. Otherwise.. as long as they have some kind of organization in their leadership.. then talking about them nuke first striking is just silly.
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Re: Kremlin says Putin is "healthy," but not seen for a week
by Withnail » Sun 15 Mar 2015, 18:05:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PoliPsy', 'T')he odds that this is a western instigated coup are increasing. The west has pulled out all the stops to destabilize Russia and purge Putin. Maybe they have succeeded.
The idea of an internal palace coup by hard-liners loyal to Russian sovereignty is less believable although it can't be ruled out. Putin's popularity among Russians is extremely high. He is also very popular in the world. Any internal coup would have to be very aggressive against the desires of the Russian people. This doesn't sound like the behavior of a group of democratic hardliners loyal to the people of Russia.
A palace coup could have occurred, but it's more likely that if it did, these people have been bought off by the central bankers and the west.
We'll know which way the coup leans:
- if the coup occurred and
- if the new power center begins to make concessions to the coup government in Kiev, or
- if the new power center begins to get more aggressive with the coup government in Kiev
The idea of an internal palace coup by hard-liners loyal to Russian sovereignty is less believable although it can't be ruled out. Putin's popularity among Russians is extremely high. He is also very popular in the world. Any internal coup would have to be very aggressive against the desires of the Russian people. This doesn't sound like the behavior of a group of democratic hardliners loyal to the people of Russia.
A palace coup could have occurred, but it's more likely that if it did, these people have been bought off by the central bankers and the west.
We'll know which way the coup leans:
- if the coup occurred and
- if the new power center begins to make concessions to the coup government in Kiev, or
- if the new power center begins to get more aggressive with the coup government in Kiev
It seems impossible that such a coup could have been kept secret to be honest.
Imagine all the mechanics. People marching into the Kremlin to arrest Putin. I can't imagine that happening without gunfire from Putin loyalists.
And if a coup has happened why pretend Putin is still running the country?
It all sounds like idiotic nonsense on the level that would appeal to cretins like Six Strings, but we'll see.
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Re: Kremlin says Putin is "healthy," but not seen for a week
by Sixstrings » Sun 15 Mar 2015, 18:11:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PoliPsy', 'T')he odds that this is a western instigated coup are increasing. The west has pulled out all the stops to destabilize Russia and purge Putin. Maybe they have succeeded.
The idea of an internal palace coup by hard-liners loyal to Russian sovereignty is less believable although it can't be ruled out.
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A palace coup could have occurred, but it's more likely that if it did, these people have been bought off by the central bankers and the west.
The idea of an internal palace coup by hard-liners loyal to Russian sovereignty is less believable although it can't be ruled out.
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A palace coup could have occurred, but it's more likely that if it did, these people have been bought off by the central bankers and the west.
This is a hell of a news story here, I think that may be the case Poli, maybe there really has been a Western-approved coup.
Think about it from Merkel or Obama's perspective -- say some of these factions communicate to us they they're ready for a palace coup. Even if they are hardliners, they could be offered things and the biggest thing to offer is international acceptance and support of the new regime.
Crimea recognition could be on the table, lifting of all sanctions, total reset with a new government in Russia, they could have anything they want -- name your price, add in billions of dollars, whatever they want, they could have if the new government promises peace.
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Re: Kremlin says Putin is "healthy," but not seen for a week
by Withnail » Sun 15 Mar 2015, 18:14:07
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This is a hell of a news story here, I think that may be the case Poli, maybe there really has been a Western-approved coup.
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This is a hell of a news story here, I think that may be the case Poli, maybe there really has been a Western-approved coup.
A pro western coup in defiance of the wishes of 88% of the Russian people?
Better get ready for bloodshed and nukes flying then.
Delusional clown.
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