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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Narz » Tue 17 Sep 2013, 02:40:58

Good reply.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Tikib » Tue 24 Feb 2015, 23:45:25

Given our current situation I have been giving this a lot of thought.
And my conclusion is that its impossible to know.

I just hope that if there is something after that its as good as my current life.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Timo » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 16:03:45

My mother told me, shortly before she died, that after death, if there is an afterlife, either you'll be given firm ground to walk on, or you'll be taught how to fly.

OK. That's fine. I still love my mother very much, but when i die, i fully expect my body will turn to dirt and become organic fuel for any number of other life forms. In that sense, there is no "afterlife" because my current life will continue in a different form. I will become food for other life.
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Re: Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Pops » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 16:51:16

Timo, that made me think of my mom who married into my dad's very church oriented clan. She was not into the church scene and quietly railed against those who put on church like a suit on Sunday and took it off when they came home. That was how I came to look at religion, of course.

But when she developed cancer she got religion. I didn't talk to her about it, it was her business and she knew how I felt. But I wondered, was she just covering her bases? Was she trying to make my churchy sister happy? It made me kinda sad to think maybe she had been missing it all along.

But organized religion aside (which I have no use for except as a venue and MC for weddings and funerals) I just can't bring myself to imagine anything but winking out like and old CRT - or fade to black under Porky Pig is maybe a better visual.

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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 17:41:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'M')aybe we should 1st know the truth about our origins?

Well, if you look at the evidence, science has plenty to say about our origins. The theory of evolution works quite well, as it has for 150+ years. As is typical of science, the theory evolves, but the overall big picture has been quite stable for quite some time.

Now, if you want to try to introduce pseudo-scientific (at best) theories as "truth" (as you tend to do) -- fine -- but that has nothing to do with science. Science works. Pseudo-science -- not so much.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Timo » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 17:54:44

Pops, you want a wishful visual for a best-case-scenario death? Your comment on the fade to black brought back to mind the final scene of The Unbearable Lightness of Being. If you haven't seen this film, i absolutely insist that you Netflix it ASAP! It's 3 hours, and worth every last damned minute! Contrary to your fade-to-black, the deaths of the main characters are depicted by a fade-to-white. We should all be so lucky.

Ooops! I know i just said too much for anyone who was planning on watching that film. Suffice it to say that Daniel Day Lewis is outstanding! I've read the book by Milan Kundera, and it's almost as good as the movie. Trust me. Watch it!
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Re: Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Lore » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 18:42:44

What's wrong with just fading to black?
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Timo » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 18:52:47

Uhmmmmmmmm...........I guess nothing is "wrong" with fading to black. That's probably how death will be for all of us, assuming we're conscious when we take our last breath.

My point was more about the scene in The Unbearable Lightness of Being being a positive, rather than the alternative being a negative. It was framed in such as way that, even though you're fully aware that the characters died, they did so as a happy couple. Death is usually framed as a negative consequence of war, or illness or disease, or some accident. In this film, their deaths faded to light, and the viewer was left with a positive feeling about their deaths. Saying that, i know it sounds twisted with sadistic undertones, but that's absolutely not the manner in which their deaths were portrayed. Have you seen the movie? If not, i can't recommend any movie more than that one. Certainly, it ranks well above Koyaniskatsi.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 18:53:56

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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Lore » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 19:11:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'U')hmmmmmmmm...........I guess nothing is "wrong" with fading to black. That's probably how death will be for all of us, assuming we're conscious when we take our last breath.

My point was more about the scene in The Unbearable Lightness of Being being a positive, rather than the alternative being a negative. It was framed in such as way that, even though you're fully aware that the characters died, they did so as a happy couple. Death is usually framed as a negative consequence of war, or illness or disease, or some accident. In this film, their deaths faded to light, and the viewer was left with a positive feeling about their deaths. Saying that, i know it sounds twisted with sadistic undertones, but that's absolutely not the manner in which their deaths were portrayed. Have you seen the movie? If not, i can't recommend any movie more than that one. Certainly, it ranks well above Koyaniskatsi.


Haven't seen the movie. I trust you, it's a good one. Simply though, as Jim Morrison would say; "nobody gets out alive". How we die has always been more to worry about then being dead. Lots of hollering before hand, no reports on the latter.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Cid_Yama » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 22:43:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..get rewarded with the duty to rule and reign under The Christ as his governors...


Hierarchical power structures (as well as math and economics), developed to deal with scarcity and the distribution/expansion of resources.

1. Is there scarcity of resources in this afterlife?

2. If everyone is a governor, who is there to rule over?

3. If some are to be ruled over, it wouldn't be much of a heaven for them, would it? It would just be more of the same as they had on Earth.

4. Is this just some wish fulfillment for those who lacked power, but craved it in this life, to have it in the next?

From someone who has had "the duty to rule" in this life, it's not much of a reward, more a lot of frustrations and stress.

Doesn't sound like much of a heaven to me. Just a copy of life on Earth with the exception of YOU being at the top.

I don't think I like your heaven or would want to be in it. Ruling or being ruled.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Timo » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 22:47:43

Actually, The Unbearable Lightness of Being would be a pretty good flick for the doomers among us. It takes place in Prague, just prior to the Soviet salvation of Czechoslovakia from democracy. It portrays a doctor with an unusual nack for getting laid, who also has a very close female friend (without benefits), and a wife. This doctor is a good guy, but he takes life too lightly. Everything is too easy for him, and he's incapable of understanding the consequences of his own actions on others. The whole story is about his personal struggles, and the struggles of those around him as they try to cope with a number of different issues and situations. Ultimately, they succeed in finding a happy place for everyone in the end, but then they die. Happy. Fade to white. A very good story. Book and film, I recommend them both. If anyone does take the time to watch this anytime soon, I'd like to hear your impressions.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby dinopello » Sat 28 Feb 2015, 21:32:39

This might be cool after life, although the fetal egg-seed thing is a little creepy.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here will be an assortment of different trees clients can pick from. The idea is that someone will pick their favorite tree while they are still alive. “The tree is chosen when the person is alive, relatives and friends look after it when death occurs. A cemetery will no longer be full of tombstones and will become a sacred forest,” it says on their website.


I think I'd pick an Olive tree.

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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 28 Feb 2015, 22:59:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). Is there scarcity of resources in this afterlife?

2. If everyone is a governor, who is there to rule over?

3. If some are to be ruled over, it wouldn't be much of a heaven for them, would it? It would just be more of the same as they had on Earth.

4. Is this just some wish fulfillment for those who lacked power, but craved it in this life, to have it in the next?


I have seen glimpses of heaven personally from my ayahausca experiences with DMT. Endless life, endless possibilities, perpetual opportunities for reincarnation in any form of life you choose anywhere in the universe. You can experience any aspect of divinity that you wish to experience, for as long as you wish to experience it.

The hierarchies are more like levels in a video game, you have to pass through and learn the life lessons in the lower levels before you can advance to the higher levels of being in the higher heavens. Earth itself is an aspect of heaven. I personally witnessed God showing me the miracle of how life on Earth is a higher heaven than certain other realms of existence. You don't have to wait- you're in heaven right now.

I even got a glancing look at my next life after the one I'm currently experiencing on Earth, where I will exist as a hexagon machine intelligence, in a higher heaven of pure existential thought and experience.

It is something you have to experience it first hand to believe. (Hard to relate I know)

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/experts11.html
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Re: Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby SeaGypsy » Sun 01 Mar 2015, 00:58:22

Yep Repent, same or similar, also with particular mushrooms & datura. It becomes apparent that death is an apparent state, that the underlying self simply meshes & merges with the higher self in a seamless transition to a state of energy, light & sound, the senses are utterly satiated & there is no lack or need. A massive topic I am starting to explore writing about.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 01 Mar 2015, 09:10:12

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I put my faith in it to reincarnate my essential elements.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby DesuMaiden » Sat 07 Mar 2015, 07:58:56

What I don't understand is why can't people just accept the fact that when you die, you don't get second chances? It is that simple. After you die, you get zero chances again.
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Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby AgentR11 » Sat 07 Mar 2015, 09:19:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesuMaiden', 'W')hat I don't understand is why can't people just accept the fact that when you die, you don't get second chances? It is that simple. After you die, you get zero chances again.


A fact is provable. What you have written is a philosophical belief. Its fine that you hold such a belief, but it is entirely outside the ability of the scientific method to validate.
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Re: Re: How likely is it that there is an 'afterlife'?

Postby AgentR11 » Sat 07 Mar 2015, 10:21:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')ut organized religion aside (which I have no use for except as a venue and MC for weddings and funerals) I just can't bring myself to imagine anything but winking out like and old CRT - or fade to black under Porky Pig is maybe a better visual.


Have you considered that *both* may be accurate statements of the experience.

I have thought, for a long while now, that what we think of as our "self" or consciousness is nothing more than a biological artifact of the way our brains work. That consciousness is not the soul at all, and is not what exists in the afterlife. In my theological hypothesis, the soul shows tiny edges of itself when the conscious self perceives good and evil outside the scope of its own self interest. When I am hungry, and see a loaf of bread, the self interest of the biological artifact is overwhelming; even when I share, its an expression of the social self interest.

But if I act with some remoteness, in a way that no one but myself and God knows, to ease suffering or bring comfort to the distraught, there the edge of the soul shows, and is nourished.

Do not let the right hand know the action of the left.

When we are reborn/glorified/etc (word use as per each tradition), it is the soul, the spiritual being, that lives on eternal with God. That soul may know the actions of the biological artifact that we call consciousness, but it is not the same continuity of consciousness. At death, the biological artifact truly ends though I think we sometimes get a cut scene to calm our anxiety, provided in the programming of God, or the program guide as you wish. This is often cited as proof of life after death, but is no such thing.

The kingdom of heaven and the life hereafter is nothing like what is here, and the metaphors used to describe it simply serve to assure the listener that material drives and needs will be of no concern. One asks if I marry the widow, whose wife is she in the afterlife.. its a foolish question, marriage ends at death, all physical things end at death, all emotions and possessive ties end at death; what is reborn is an entirely different existence. An existence that is truly suitable to sing to the glory of God.
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