[Revi]

If you have a solution that can ensure cheap motoring into the next century and is actually based on facts, then tell us what it is. This isn't any kind of a political rant. We are just looking at what's left divided by the number of vehicles to come to 210,000 miles left.

[DesuMaiden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')f you have a solution that can ensure cheap motoring into the next century and is actually based on facts, then tell us what it is. This isn't any kind of a political rant. We are just looking at what's left divided by the number of vehicles to come to 210,000 miles left.

[Revi]

I have friends who are farmers who are giving up their cars already. They have a ton truck, which does hauling and picks up hay and firewood, but they need only one car. I think this will become more and more common as the whole thing plays out. Gasoline and diesel will be used for things that get you more BTU's, and taking trips around for fun will be a thing of the past.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')Gasoline and diesel will be used for things that get you more BTU's, and taking trips around for fun will be a thing of the past.

[KaiserJeep]

Sometimes we forget that we can after all make a reasonable gasoline substitute - about octane 110, suitable for aviation fuel even - from coal for about $10 per US gallon. We can also run vehicles on compressed natural gas or LPG in that same equivalent price range.

We have lots of coal and natural gas. Basically tripling vehicle fuel costs will certainly hurt but it is not going to amount to TEOTWAWKI.

[Pops]

$10/gal fuel doesn't sound all that bad does it? Here in a relatively good economy...
But what about in an economy where $10 is the average daly wage?

The whole point of PO Doom is that increased cost for fuel will in fact cause TEOTWAWKI - you hadn't realized that was what we are talking about?

LOL
;^)

Personally I'm not really sure how long it will take for the more "desperate" schemes to come about. CTL, GTL may be the next big thing or they may be what happens after a rather long period of shedding waste from the economy that can't handle $10/gal fuel. My theory is price will fall on average as the economy contracts but then rise after we begin to actually get closer to actually realizing the true utility of FFs - chainsaws and wood haulers as Revi says.

[KaiserJeep]

I simply do not have that much faith in wood as a fuel. Here in Silly Valley about the only time I cannot stand the outdoors is when we get one of the Winter temperature inversions going in the valley and it traps all the wood smoke down low. Step outside and you shed tears and start coughing.

Wood has to be cut, dried, hauled, and split. Then it has to be protected from rain when stored, then you are left with severely alkaline ashes which make lye when they get wet.

I mean I have a fireplace now - I don't use it, although I would if it had a gas log. But truth to tell I just consumed the last of the wood fuel I bought for Y2K - in 2012 which was the last time I had a fire in the fireplace.

[Pops]

There isn't much need for any heat over there - not really here in the foothills either.

But hauling firewood was just the example at hand, plug in firetruck, ambulance, trucking in cornmeal grits, etc.

[KaiserJeep]

Yeah but I am moving to Wisconsin. Even after I took her there between Thanksgiving and New Year, she still wants to go. Either we end up living outside of Madison - basically on the plains, or on the West coast of Lake Michigan. Both are cold.

[wake]

Driving an hour or two outside of Madison, I forget which side, maybe both, is the only place I have ever been in the US where I could not get a radio station. It's a long drive to anywhere.

Although that was some years back.

Minnesota is also cold but has great little lakes and cabins everywhere and the twin cities are great

[Revi]

I get really scared when I read Shortonoil's posts about the end of oil. I realized that it could happen much quicker than we think. The EROEI of oil is what will cause it to happen. The backside of Hubbert's Peak is bound to be steeper because we can't afford to get oil that doesn't give us at least 10-1. Short of that we needn't bother. We may all be walking sooner than we think!

[Revi]

We're all going to have to live in towns and get around in something smaller. Or, be a farmer and get to town once a month to trade and buy supplies. Sorry, but that's called reality. When farmers went to town 50 years ago they tucked all sorts of things to trade in the trunk, and bought and sold things. We're all going to have to think like them again.

[Quinny]

We go to town about once a week [40 mile round trip] and always plan our trips to minimise fuel usage. This is not environmental, but wallet driven. So for instance appointments and shopping are scheduled on my college day. At one time I wouldn't have dreamt of being so prescriptive as to how we spend our time.

[Revi]

Quinny you sound like the kind of person that will make it in the future.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I')f you have a solution that can ensure cheap motoring into the next century and is actually based on facts, then tell us what it is. This isn't any kind of a political rant. We are just looking at what's left divided by the number of vehicles to come to 210,000 miles left.

[Quinny]

Is there an oil glut?

[Subjectivist]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I')s there an oil glut?

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'R')evi, it seems you (and your ilk) will get little more from Outcast other than a political rant. His suggestion that Bakken heralds BAU decade after decade after decade is pure delusion.

[kanon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '
')Now I know I am not all that scientific, but my "ilk" likes to look at things as they are.