[Plantagenet]

According to Wikipedia,

The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21...President George H. W. Bush was one of the 178 heads of government who signed the final text of the agreement at the Earth Summit in 1992

Also in 1992 the 102 Congress passed Res.353 - "Expressing the sense of the Congress that the United States should assume a strong leadership role in implementing the decisions made at the Earth Summit by developing a national strategy to implement Agenda 21 and other Earth summit agreements through domestic policy and foreign policy, by cooperating with all countries to identify and initiate further agreements to protect the global environment, and by supporting and participating in a high-level United Nations Sustainable Development Commission.

Whats the big deal? As long as obama doesn't seize upon this as another excuse for ignoring existing law, it seems harmless and well-intentioned.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'A')genda 21 IS NOT, i repeat, IS NOT Government regulation! What is regulation si the FEAR and PARANOIA of the SUGGESTIONS contained within that document! Give me one instance where the US government has adopted Agenda 21 as their standard protocol. One instance. And no, i will not accept common sense coincidences as adoption of Agenda 21. Building codes against construction in floodzones existed long before Agenda 21. This should be easy. Everyone against Agenda 21 is determined that this is being crammed down our throats in the guise of some vast, international UN consipracy. Support your case! With facts!!!

[Sixstrings]

Here's their website:

http://www.iclei.org/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')CLEI'S MISSION
is to build and serve a worldwide movement of local governments to achieve tangible improvements in global sustainability, with a specific focus on environmental conditions through cumulative local actions.

...

ICLEI’s first global programs were Local Agenda 21, a program promoting participatory governance and local sustainable development planning, and Cities for Climate Protection™ (CCP), the world’s first and largest program supporting cities in climate action planning using a five milestone process including greenhouse gas emissions inventories to systematically reduce emissions. ICLEI’s programs and campaigns looked beyond mere environmental aspects and embraced wider sustainability issues. The ICLEI Council acknowledged this and formally broadened the mandate of the association in 2003, renaming the association ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')till known as ICLEI, it changed its name to “Local Governments for Sustainability.” It in essence imposes soft law on otherwise sovereign lands. However, its web is larger than you may know. Is your city or locality a member of ICLEI? Check the list below to find out…. If you see your city, you may want to attend your next council meeting to find out why…

“Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project
http://procinctu.info/iclei-list-members-agenda-21-implementation/

[dinopello]

Agenda 21 is not relevant to the US or at least shouldn't be. It's only being used by those against sustainable development/smart growth/walkable communities to make it sound like a UN imposed mandate. The US has the best planners in the world, doing great work where the local communities have made it legal for them to do so. These are the most wealthy and successful communities in the US.

The problem in the US is first to commit to it, the second problem is how to deal with the success. Walkable communities are in such high demand that the poor are quickly displaced and the problem becomes one of how to bring the much needed working class poor (dishwashers, busboys, nanny's, etc) and middle middle class (teachers, waiters, firefighters, police, construction, tradesmen) back into the community.

The Unintended Consequence of Success

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s the public demand for walkable neighborhoods has increased, low- to moderate-income residents are being priced out of those neighborhoods. And unfortunately, the public policy regarding housing affordability in the United States remains “drive until you qualify.”

Thus began Chris Leinberger of the Brookings Institution at a recent seminar entitled “Walkable Neighborhoods: How to Make Them for Everyone,” sponsored by the Coalition for Smarter Growth.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')s the public demand for walkable neighborhoods has increased, low- to moderate-income residents are being priced out of those neighborhoods. And unfortunately, the public policy regarding housing affordability in the United States remains “drive until you qualify.”

Thus began Chris Leinberger of the Brookings Institution at a recent seminar entitled “Walkable Neighborhoods: How to Make Them for Everyone,” sponsored by the Coalition for Smarter Growth.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')s the public demand for walkable neighborhoods has increased, low- to moderate-income residents are being priced out of those neighborhoods. And unfortunately, the public policy regarding housing affordability in the United States remains “drive until you qualify.”

Thus began Chris Leinberger of the Brookings Institution at a recent seminar entitled “Walkable Neighborhoods: How to Make Them for Everyone,” sponsored by the Coalition for Smarter Growth.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'R')ight, except it's the exact opposite of that.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'D')id a news search:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��FEMA has proclaimed the entire town of Sun River in the floodplain,” he said. “I cannot build on my property. No one can. I can't put a sewer system in.” [/b]

[PrestonSturges]

Yep, whatever the issue, the Tea Party is there to represent the big money interests that want to enslave the common man. They are the folks that will walk all over each other to be the first in line for the yummy cyanide Kool-Aid.

[Quinny]

Even more speechless - especially now the idiot has decided to take over this asylum!

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'E')ven more speechless - especially now the idiot has decided to take over this asylum!

[Quinny]

I think I've only ever done that once - it's a sort of cross between freedom of speech and the sheer entertainment value. It's healthy to raise the blood pressure once in a while

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I') think I've only ever done that once - it's a sort of cross between freedom of speech and the sheer entertainment value. It's healthy to raise the blood pressure once in a while

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'I') think I've only ever done that once - it's a sort of cross between freedom of speech and the sheer entertainment value. It's healthy to raise the blood pressure once in a while

[Sixstrings]

And here's some other truth I got to the bottom of.

That LECEI sounds like a super lefty socialist dominated thing. Look at the governing structure, it just looks anti-democratic:



Look at that thing. Only a socialist could cook that up. It looks like the EU layers of bureaucracy, where the real decisions are made in some inner core chamber walled off and buffer zoned and far separated from European voters.

That's the bottom line on this, the LECEI is too socialist and too liberal and a good number of the American membership (from red states) decided to leave it.

And here's a general issue that conservatives probably fear: that maybe socialists want to get their ideas passed through the back door, and under other pretenses, with things like this agenda 21 lecei which is essentially an NGO -- I've studied Russia so much lately, I tell ya something, they really hate these NGO's and distrust them too.

It's political influence and control coming in from the outside, and that's what conservatives will always resist, whatever country they are in. Over here, Republicans like more limited government and states have more power and Washington DC limited -- so of course they will always be leary of any government coming out of Switzerland, Brussels, or Bonn Germany.

I'm in the middle on all this. Not all socialism is bad. But when it's bad, it's very bad, and you can't even do anything about it because it's the government and you're just stuck with it. At least you can quit your job, if you don't like it, but you cannot quit a socialist government gone bad.

You all should at least just recognize the very real philosophical differences between conservatives and liberals, and that both have valid views, and you could be understanding that for goodness sake -- OF COURSE a "UN Agenda 21" is going to be met with suspicion. Dig a little deeper, and sure enough, they've got this byzantine power structure. So what's that about. Same as the EU structure. We all know what it's about, it's about a minority controlling a majority and limiting their voice.

Anyhow, back on topic, anti agenda 21 bill failed in Montana:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ouse rejects anti-Agenda 21 bill
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/politics/2015/02/24/house-rejects-anti-agenda-bill/23960525/

[Quinny]

6 you are not an independent. You are extremely right wing and nearly always support the establishment POV. You also totally ignore information provided and bang on with your right wing agenda with literally no evidence to support your extremist ideas. You are entertaining and amusing in some ways, but I don't think anybody from the right or the left takes you seriously [well apart from the odd Ukie Nazi]. More than 10,000 posts means you treat this forum seriously, I find it difficult to understand why anyone would want to post on topics they obviously don't have either the capability to understand or the willingness to properly research the subject. The inevitable conclusion is a paid troll, but who would be stupid enough to pay for what you post beggars belief.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'M')ore than 10,000 posts means you treat this forum seriously,

[Quinny]

Where do you get your information from? This is absolute nonsense!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')et's take a look at France. What does "green," socialist France look like. A lot of it is quite nice -- but their poor are also walled off, into huge tenement complexes. I think the UK is about the same, no?

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'W')here do you get your information from? This is absolute nonsense!