[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')But the effects of ceasing to burn FF's are "huge" and "immediate". At least 5 billion humans starve, and all the American cities fold, for example. That is no theory, we KNOW what happens without cheap oil. It is only YOU genocidal AGW fanatics that want to kill that many people.

[Pops]

I'm guessing that science itself really doesn't have a fail, how can it? It is a process of constant questioning. If there is a fail it is science must "interface" with emotion in order to be of any value.

It is the humans who come to believe that because some aspects of science are settled (or not) means that their own most outlandish idle thoughts and fantasies are then justified as well.

This makes sense to me:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')lobal warming.
And this is perhaps the most politically contentious scientific issue in the modern world. You probably already have your mind made up as respects what you think about this issue before you even read these words. Indeed, the idea that the science could ever be settled on this issue really riles some people up, and people are quick to label those with different opinions from their own as “alarmists” or “deniers” as the case may be.

Yet there are some scientific facts surrounding the climate that are settled: one is that the Earth has been warming and continues to warm significantly, and the second is that the concentration of heat-trapping gases in the Earth atmosphere has also increased by a significant percentage over the past two centuries due to human activity. Scientifically, the chances that the observed warming is a fluke, chance event is only 0.002%, meaning that we are 99.998% certain that the Earth is legitimately warmer today than it was a century ago. It would be unfair to science — both the scientific process and the scientific body of knowledge — to not consider these two pieces of the puzzle “settled.”

But there are other things that are open questions. The Earth’s climate stays within a (quasi-)stable range, where the climate remains relatively stable over time. Natural causes and variations have been seen (in the historical records) to shift that stable point over time; we believe that human causes can do that at well. But where is that “tipping point,” where we’ll transition to a new stable point that’s different from the old one? And what will that stable point look like, and what are the consequences that will ensue? On these points, science continues to make progress, but it is not yet settled. There is simply too much we do not yet understand.

[KaiserJeep]

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here science meets world is the fail.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '[')img]https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/756/1*mozWAYuQQ8LazQxCudNspA.jpeg[/img]

[KaiserJeep]

You are demonstrating rank prejudice here. Like every generation since the Greeks, you consider yourself stylishly current and educated in the sciences. Like every generation before you, your beliefs will be soon be rendered foolish and quaint by new knowledge.

Climate science is in it's infancy and pretty often people forget that not one single climate model accurately predicts future climate when tested against recorded temperatures. I can tell you as a computer professional that we don't have any publicly disclosed computers capable of modeling planetary climate, and those that attempt to do so on PC hardware using spreadsheets are using machines three orders of magnitude less powerful than needed. Unfortunately they can still qualify for government grants to do such work, as long as the results agree with the preconceived positions of the current POTUS and his science boffins.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'Y')ou are demonstrating rank prejudice here. Like every generation since the Greeks, you consider yourself stylishly current and educated in the sciences. Like every generation before you, your beliefs will be soon be rendered foolish and quaint by new knowledge.

Climate science is in it's infancy and pretty often people forget that not one single climate model accurately predicts future climate when tested against recorded temperatures. I can tell you as a computer professional that we don't have any publicly disclosed computers capable of modeling planetary climate, and those that attempt to do so on PC hardware using spreadsheets are using machines three orders of magnitude less powerful than needed. Unfortunately they can still qualify for government grants to do such work, as long as the results agree with the preconceived positions of the current POTUS and his science boffins.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I') can tell you as a computer professional that we don't have any publicly disclosed computers capable of modeling planetary climate, and those that attempt to do so on PC hardware using spreadsheets are using machines three orders of magnitude less powerful than needed. Unfortunately they can still qualify for government grants to do such work, as long as the results agree with the preconceived positions of the current POTUS and his science boffins.

[KaiserJeep]

I understand that not all observed data agrees with the AGW theory. Such as for example the satellite infrared studies which show a 28-year long global cooling trend.

Ask the citizens of Nantucket. They just got another 22" of Global Warming, and the power has been off and on again. They appear to be on the path of using record amounts of propane this season to deal with the AGW.









Most of the Eastern US seems to be caught in the grip of this "warming". My MIL is dealing with it, even is good humored about it. The deer are having a rough time, of course. The island is wrapped in the Gulf Stream current but that, too has been unusually "warm".

That would be the cue for you AGW fanboys to switch to the "Climate Change" mantra. Your AGW meme is taking hits right and left this season. Some of the faithful are having doubts, and another National election is looming, time to have one of them good ole "revival" meetings and remind the faithful AGW members that they need to buck up and support the AGW theory lest some Republican skunk sneaks in some snide comment about all the "warming" going on.

Why, can you imagine, there is even a vicious rumor going around that the Capital dome is wrapped in scaffolding and they are fitting some high tech insulation this year to keep everybody -ah- "cool".

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I') understand that not all observed data agrees with the AGW theory. Such as for example the satellite infrared studies which show a 28-year long global cooling trend.

[jedrider]

Great Pics: I was wondering where all our Western snow went.

That's Climate Change for yer!

[KaiserJeep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')But the effects of ceasing to burn FF's are "huge" and "immediate". At least 5 billion humans starve, and all the American cities fold, for example. That is no theory, we KNOW what happens without cheap oil. It is only YOU genocidal AGW fanatics that want to kill that many people.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', '
')I would say, there is no way that feeble alternative energies can substitute for powerful and cheap fossil fuels.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'G')reat Pics: I was wondering where all our Western snow went.

That's Climate Change for yer!

[KaiserJeep]

Lore, the two billion who live are those who have more than enough today. The five billion who die have lower incomes. It used to be that 3rd world countries lived via primative farming and would not miss oil. But today mechanized agriculture has spread to the poorest countries, because it produces the cheapest food - and produces further overshoot population.

Without oil, India starves, China starves, Africa starves, and South America starves. North America, Europe, Russia, and Australia are left.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'L')ore, the two billion who live are those who have more than enough today. The five billion who die have lower incomes. It used to be that 3rd world countries lived via primative farming and would not miss oil. But today mechanized agriculture has spread to the poorest countries, because it produces the cheapest food - and produces further overshoot population.

Without oil, India starves, China starves, Africa starves, and South America starves. North America, Europe, Russia, and Australia are left.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'G')reat Pics: I was wondering where all our Western snow went.

That's Climate Change for yer!

[KaiserJeep]

Thanks for defining every possible weather variation as a confirmation of AGW, careinke. You have established without any doubt whatsoever, the perfidy of AGW fanboys.

[KaiserJeep]

P.S. The island of Nantucket is South and East of Cape Cod, and thus is part of Massachusetts, not Maine. They did try to secede from Massachusetts once upon a time when New Hampshire made them a better offer.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'T')hanks for defining every possible weather variation as a confirmation of AGW, careinke. You have established without any doubt whatsoever, the perfidy of AGW fanboys.