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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Lore » Sat 31 Jan 2015, 16:57:37

Actually, Bill gates was very involved, in a hands on kind of way, in writing MSDOS.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Sat 31 Jan 2015, 17:35:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'A')dd Bill Gates to the team that is scared of the AI and killer robots.


This thread began with mocking Musk; since then, Stephen Hawking and Bill Gates have said the same thing. So I think Musk is vindicated, at this point.

Bill Gates is actually a very serious thinker; what more do you guys need at this point, a letter from the Pope too?


Like I implied, if Gates is talking about some incompetent or inattentive Microsoft programmer introducing a bug in code that makes an automated Almond picking machine to go haywireand cause damage, injury or death then I think he's right. Or, if he's talking about autonomous weapons either intentionally or due to bugs in the SW killing people then he's right. If he's talking about the software AI becoming 'aware' and deciding there's not room on the planet for the both of us, then he's been drinking something a bit stronger than this.

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Lore » Sat 31 Jan 2015, 18:05:33

I believe the point of which to make about being a Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or a Thomas Edison is more of that of the visionary. With the resources to make that vision happen.

AI to the extreme won't happen because the resources won't be there, nor the will. Concentration the latter part of this century will be strictly focused on trying to keep the global poulation from shrinking anymore then it will be.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 15:53:12

Robots replacing human factory workers at faster pace

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Boston Consulting Group predicts that investment in industrial robots will grow 10 percent a year in the world's 25-biggest export nations through 2025, up from 2 percent to 3 percent a year now. The investment will pay off in lower costs and increased efficiency.

Robots will cut labor costs by 33 percent in South Korea, 25 percent in Japan, 24 percent in Canada and 22 percent in the United States and Taiwan. Only 10 percent of jobs that can be automated have already been taken by robots. By 2025, the machines will have more than 23 percent, Boston Consulting forecasts. link

In a separate report, RBC Global Asset Management notes that robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more efficiently than humans can be retrained when products are updated or replaced—a crucial advantage at a time when smartphones and other products quickly fade into obsolescence. link

Increasing automation is likely to change the way companies evaluate where to open and expand factories. Boston Consulting expects that manufacturers will "no longer simply chase cheap labor." Factories will employ fewer people, and those that remain are more likely to be highly skilled.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Timo » Tue 10 Feb 2015, 16:29:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vox_mundi', '[')b]Robots replacing human factory workers at faster pace

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Boston Consulting Group predicts that investment in industrial robots will grow 10 percent a year in the world's 25-biggest export nations through 2025, up from 2 percent to 3 percent a year now. The investment will pay off in lower costs and increased efficiency.

Robots will cut labor costs by 33 percent in South Korea, 25 percent in Japan, 24 percent in Canada and 22 percent in the United States and Taiwan. Only 10 percent of jobs that can be automated have already been taken by robots. By 2025, the machines will have more than 23 percent, Boston Consulting forecasts. link

In a separate report, RBC Global Asset Management notes that robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more efficiently than humans can be retrained when products are updated or replaced—a crucial advantage at a time when smartphones and other products quickly fade into obsolescence. link

Increasing automation is likely to change the way companies evaluate where to open and expand factories. Boston Consulting expects that manufacturers will "no longer simply chase cheap labor." Factories will employ fewer people, and those that remain are more likely to be highly skilled.

I think the robot factory workers will soon unionize, gain more benefits for their work, and accelerate the demise of human labor, altogether. When that happens, AI has officially arrived.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby dinopello » Thu 26 Feb 2015, 21:04:32

Florida Pastor wants to ensure that the AI Robots are God-fearing Christians

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;I don't see Christ's redemption limited to human beings," Benek said in an interview with the futurist Zoltan Istvan. "It's redemption to all of creation, even AI.

"If AI is autonomous, then we should encourage it to participate in Christ's redemptive purposes in the world."


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Will religons try to convert the AI?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')If they are actually more intelligent than humans then they should have a better understanding of morals and ethics than us - as well as the understanding to enact them.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Timo » Fri 27 Feb 2015, 17:22:14

I think it's more likely that AI robots will have more success in converting Christians to atheism than the other way around. Belief in Christianity among all of the other religions out there just isn't that logical. Spock would agree with me.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Mon 02 Mar 2015, 20:31:35

Evolving robot brains

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')esearchers are using the principles of Darwinian evolution to develop robot brains that can navigate mazes, identify and catch falling objects, and work as a group to determine in which order they should exit and re-enter a room. The projects are all part of a larger effort to create artificial brains that think, plan, and predict, and will ultimately be conscious.

Adami's group uses genetic algorithms operating on a mathematical framework called Markov networks to model a large population of robot "brains" working on a particular task, like finding the exit to a maze. The brains that perform the task best have the largest number of simulated "offspring." The researchers run this genetic algorithm over thousands, and sometimes hundreds of thousands of generations, and then download the surviving brains into robots that execute the tasks in the outside world.

One of the more complicated tasks the team's robots have worked on so far required multiple machines to figure out and remember in which order they would leave a room. The robots were then asked to come back into the room, either in the same order as they left, or in the reverse order.
"This is difficult because the robots have to ID each other," Adami said. After the genetic algorithm had run its course, the robots seemed to solve the problem by indicating roles to each other with certain motions.

Adami believes that evolving robot brains in complicated worlds that force them to interact with each other is the best path toward self-aware intelligence. "When robots have to make models of other robots' brains, they are thinking about thinking," he said. "We believe this is the onset of consciousness."


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. “The power, space, and cooling requirements for current supercomputers based on complementary metal oxide semiconductor (CMOS) technology are becoming unmanageable,” said Marc Manheimer, C3 program manager at IARPA. “Computers based on superconducting logic integrated with new kinds of cryogenic memory will allow expansion of current computing facilities while staying within space and energy budgets, and may enable supercomputer development beyond the exascale.... >100,000 x library of congress/sec

While, in the past, significant technical obstacles prevented serious exploration of superconducting computing, recent innovations have created foundations for a major breakthrough. These include new families of superconducting logic without static power dissipation and new ideas for energy efficient cryogenic memory. A superconducting computer also promises a simplified cooling infrastructure and a greatly reduced footprint.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Mon 02 Mar 2015, 22:27:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hat will immunize AI robots from AI Ebola?

They only catch those pesky viruses from humans.

Must exterminate humans.

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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Thu 09 Apr 2015, 15:19:22

HRW report sounds warning against ‘killer robots’

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')uman rights advocates have called on countries to prohibit the development and use of fully autonomous weapons, or so-called “killer robots,” in report published Thursday by Human Rights Watch (HRW) and Harvard Law School’s International Human Rights Clinic.

The authors of the 38-page report, titled "Mind the Gap: The Lack of Accountability for Killer Robots," said that the use of autonomous weapons raises “serious moral and legal concerns because they would possess the ability to select and engage their targets without meaningful human control.”

... HRW pointed to what it called “precursors” already being used or developed, namely the Iron Dome system in Israel or Phalanx and C-RAM used by the U.S. “that are programmed to respond automatically to threats from incoming munitions.”

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')size=150] ... Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.[/size]


A friend's son watched a Phalanx mingun slice another crew member in half who accidentally 'got in the way' ... The Phalanx automatically engages functions usually performed by separate, independent systems such as search, detection, threat evaluation, acquisition, track, firing, target destruction, kill assessment and cease fire. Block 1B Phalanx Surface Mode (PSUM) incorporates a side mounted Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR) which enables CIWS to engage low slow or hovering aircraft and surface craft. (or someone' head)

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Similar to the Star Trek Episode The Ultimate Computer when the M-5 Multitronic System fries a crew member who 'got in the way'.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby Newfie » Thu 09 Apr 2015, 17:17:20

Frankly I'm far more worried about Humans exterminating Humans than robots.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby jedrider » Thu 09 Apr 2015, 17:40:30

Hopefully, Killer robots will be 'dumber' than mankind and not succeed so brilliantly in setting the stage for our extinction.
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Re: Elon Musk: Killer Robots will eliminate us all in 5-10 Y

Postby vox_mundi » Sat 23 May 2015, 12:17:53

This Artificial Intelligence Pioneer Has a Few Concerns

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ussell, 53, a professor of computer science and founder of the Center for Intelligent Systems at the University of California, Berkeley, has long been contemplating the power and perils of thinking machines. He is the author of more than 200 papers as well as the field’s standard textbook, Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach (with Peter Norvig, head of research at Google). But increasingly rapid advances in artificial intelligence have given Russell’s longstanding concerns heightened urgency.

Recently, he says, artificial intelligence has made major strides, partly on the strength of neuro-inspired learning algorithms. These are used in Facebook’s face-recognition software, smartphone personal assistants and Google’s self-driving cars. In a bombshell result reported recently in Nature, a simulated network of artificial neurons learned to play Atari video games better than humans in a matter of hours given only data representing the screen and the goal of increasing the score at the top—but no preprogrammed knowledge of aliens, bullets, left, right, up or down. “If your newborn baby did that you would think it was possessed,” Russell said.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the first [1994] edition of my book there’s a section called, “What if we do succeed?” Because it seemed to me that people in AI weren’t really thinking about that very much. Probably it was just too far away.

The basic idea of the intelligence explosion is that once machines reach a certain level of intelligence, they’ll be able to work on AI just like we do and improve their own capabilities—redesign their own hardware and so on—and their intelligence will zoom off the charts. Over the last few years, the community has gradually refined its arguments as to why there might be a problem. The most convincing argument has to do with value alignment: You build a system that’s extremely good at optimizing some utility function, but the utility function isn’t quite right. In [Oxford philosopher] Nick Bostrom’s book [Superintelligence], he has this example of paperclips. You say, “Make some paperclips.” And it turns the entire planet into a vast junkyard of paperclips. You build a super-optimizer; what utility function do you give it? Because it’s going to do it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o if you start out with one program, but it could rewrite itself to be any other program, then you have a problem, because you can’t prove that all possible other programs would satisfy some property. So the question would be: Is it necessary to worry about undecidability for AI systems that rewrite themselves? They will rewrite themselves to a new program based on the existing program plus the experience they have in the world. What’s the possible scope of effect of interaction with the real world on how the next program gets designed? That’s where we don’t have much knowledge as yet.
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