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USDA confirms second case of mad cow

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Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 13:34:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ad Cow is the most prevalent, virulent disease to hit this planet since the plague. Conceivably it could represent the end of all human life here, vacating the orb for a new, Vegetarian Adam and Eve to bring forth a new, meat-free race, or for Pleidean squatters to turn into Acapulco.


Puhleeze....give us a break. Most prevalent....how many cases...that is cases that are definitely Mad Cow and not Alzheimers (the two are very similar apparently)....what are we talking about 100 or so in the UK, none in the US, none in Canada. More people die every year from electric shocks changing light bulbs for God's sake. Virulent disease compared to the plague...and I suppose there are whole cities that have been wiped out by it like there were with the bubonic plague?
What have you been smoking?....might be worth passing it around as we could all use a trip to a different reality from time to time.
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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 14:14:34

First of all I am allergic to pot and second, I don't smoke... anything. You didn't even bother to read the articles did you. If you had you would find that they cited the names of the people who made those claims.

Talk about wasting peoples time.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 14:44:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '5'). ) Mad-cow causes a genetic mutation which is transmissible so if you have it and are starting a family all your children will have it. Sheep and cows pass it to offspring, too and chickens to their eggs. If it weren't transmissable, why for decades had the FDA has demanded that all donors to the blood supply answer the question 'has anyone in your family died of Cruetzfeldt-Jacob?' The disease is l00% inherited and one drop of blood of a descendant of a CJD victims can infect all your descendents down through time.


This is utter BS! It is not a retrovirus. It is a prion. Prion's do not cause genetic changes. One can get a prion disease either from a spontaneous genetic mutation or by contagion from another person. The genetic mutation itself is not transmissible.

[edit: Realize I should clarify this statement. If one has a genetic mutation, it is transmissible to one's children. Genetic mutations are not contagious. Therefore a person w/ spontaneous CJD can pass it on gentically to their children. Someone who catches CJD could only pass it on to their children as an infection.]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'h')ttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~astrology/udder.htm


You're quoting an editorial from "Anita's Star Power" "Free Daily Astrology Readings, New Age Archive, Metaphysics. Free Palmistry Lessons, Horoscope Predictions. New Age dharmic careers you can do to make a million"?

Might want to check your sources a little more closely. :-D
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 14:50:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')You're quoting an editorial from "Anita's Star Power" "Free Daily Astrology Readings, New Age Archive, Metaphysics. Free Palmistry Lessons, Horoscope Predictions. New Age dharmic careers you can do to make a million"?

Might want to check your sources a little more closely. :-D
:lol: So hamburgers are OK then?
It was a good spooky read anyway. Chris Carter says 'The Truth Is Out There'. Well, I guess that's where its going to stay.
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Unread postby Pops » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 15:13:48

I wonder if This is the same Dr. B?

Snip from the denied petition to reinstate his license to practice:

"He said that as a recently licensed doctor, you “have a lot of power. You can bill anything.” He indicated that it’s like being “King of the World” or a “kid in a candy store.”"

He’s sure getting some press now.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 15:32:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ':')lol: So hamburgers are OK then?

No. Look at the links I posted, no astrology involved. The Organic Consumer one has an agenda, but the link I posted is to a page of compiled 3rd party articles. The book at PRWatch is, as I stated, well-referenced and quite fascinating.
I agree and I was really just making a joke. The bit about 'the truth is out there' does reflect my real sentiments though. What is true and what isn't seems to be beyond my reach.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 16:45:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')o hamburgers are OK then?


Like I said. If you want to be afraid of your hamburger, be afraid of obesity. Be afraid of heart disease. Be afraid of strokes. There have been 155 confirmed cases of variant CJD ever in the world. 80 people an hour die of heart disease in the US.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 16:57:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '8')0 people an hour die of heart disease in the US.
Good for them, they won't see the coming horrors.
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Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 18:09:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '8')0 people an hour die of heart disease in the US.
Good for them, they won't see the coming horrors.


That was a joke, too; right? :)
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 18:11:43

nope, it wasn't
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Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 19:29:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'n')ope, it wasn't


Then I commend you for your sense of mercy.
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Unread postby Grimnir » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 20:12:45

Yes, the "CJD causes a genetic mutation that keeps the prions in your family forever!" argument makes no sense. A mother *might* be able to pass it to her children due to the blood-on-blood contact that exists between the woman and the fetus, but genes are not involved in any way.

Equally out there is the idea that feeding protein to herbivores gives them tubercles; so when people eat the meat, they get tuberculosis. Tuberculosis is a respiratory disease caused by infectious agents. The tubercles you can get from a bad diet are something completely different and have nothing whatsoever to do with the infectious disease. The only thing the two have in common is that the words kind of sound alike. And in any case, you can't catch tuberculosis from eating a cow, no matter what diseases it may have.

There is a bovine version of tuberculosis that you can catch through contact with a live, infected cow, but not by eating its meat (unless you don't cook it).

The idea that the prions are out there in the environment forever like radioactive particles is silly as well. They're just proteins; nothing more, nothing less. As such, they are easily broken down by decomposer bacteria and ordinary chemistry.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 20:27:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'n')ope, it wasn't


Then I commend you for your sense of mercy.
That was facetious, I guess. This whole situation has freaked me out and I don't know what to think anymore. The world falls apart and I am faced with an agonising death by starvation. I take out the 38 and blow my brains out and then my kids come knocking on my door for help because they are starving. Its unbearable. I guess I'll do every goddamn thing I can think of but I can't help thinking its going to end bad.
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Unread postby gary_malcolm » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 20:30:28

Small_pox and Grinmir,

Don't lose the forest for the trees. Yes, the 'genetics' argument is silly when discussing prion related diseases... but the plaque build up that destroys the brain in CJD is troubingly indistinguishable from Alzheimers Disease.

That, in and of itself, should stop us in our tracks. Now combine that with the amazing LACK of studies being done on this connection and I think we should all withold judgment until the facts can sort themselves out from the politics.

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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 20:57:10

One option is eating bugs! The only good bug is a dead bug in one's stomach! Ha Ha! That and dandelions. You can get water out of the roots of Eucalyptus trees. Best thing is to get past this depression and fight! Save the 38 to kill cannibals.
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Unread postby Grimnir » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 21:22:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gary_malcolm', 'S')mall_pox and Grinmir,

Don't lose the forest for the trees.


The thing is, when there is such gross misinformation in the parts of the article I'm knowledgeable enough to critique, it makes me very suspicious that the same is true for the parts that I'm not. The author seems to be arguing that everyone in the world is infected and everyone in the world will die by having their brain eaten alive from the inside out. But this is visibly false. Even if *every* case of Alzheimer's was actually CJD, the number of cases is still only a tiny fraction of the population. It's been 35 years since the supposed beginning of the supposed epidemic, so the symptoms should be appearing everywhere if everyone has it. I have no problem believing that vCJD is more widespread than has been detected and/or reported, but an extinction-level event? That's getting carried away.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 21:27:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grimnir', ' ')an extinction-level event? That's getting carried away.
Agreed, besides, we already have Peak Oil.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 22:05:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'A')greed, besides, we already have Peak Oil.


That's more or less my point as well. The things we know about are bad enough. The environment is fubar. We are way in excess of our carrying capacity and our way of life is killing us...lots of us...quickly.

Yes the earth might be hit by a killer asteroid, or killer bees could attack, or we could all get BSE from our burgers, or a terrorist could launch a sarin attack on your kid's middle school. I don't really care about the maybes. Our "For sure. Happening right now." problems are monsterous, and the "Likely to happen soon" problems are enough to extinct our species. Why fret about the speculative things that might be a problem someday, but probably won't? To me, the rapid disintigration of modern society from an abrupt energy crisis looks like a "Likely to happen soon." I'll be darned if I'm going to sit around freting about getting a one-in-a-million brain disease from a hamburger. There are real problems in the world. I think for a lot of people it is a pleasant diversion to fixate on the unlikely problems, because it avoids having to deal with the ugliness of the in-your-face problems. Thus you see masses of people freaking out about shark attacks and Y2K and anthrax and ingnoring the wholesale destruction of the natural world occuring right outside their door.

And Gary. I'm sorry. Maybe this makes me a snob. But I refuse to be lectured to about infectious disease by someone who lists their primary occupation as astrologer and new age dharmic career advisor. :-D
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 23:26:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'S')o please quit arguing to prove who knows more about risk assessment.


How can you talk about this and ignore risk assessment. There are an inumerable number of risks in the world. You could spend all day everyday trying to fret about them and still not cover them all. There are probably two hundred different infectious diseases that you could get from a hamburger, organic or not. Staph Aureus food poisoning didn't get it's own thread. Neither did enterotoxogenic E. Coli, Salmonella, Shiegella, Botulism, or Campylobacter. Why not? More people died from each of those last year than BSE.

I figure I only have certain amount of time and attention to spending fretting. These days I'm pretty much using my quotient up on:
A. Not screwing up at work and accidentally killing someone.
B. Environmental destruction
C. Peak Oil
D. occasionally Bird Flu

Anything that isn't clearly more hazardous than the above, just doesn't make the cut. BSE is poorly understood and most of the assessments of it's potential risk are pure conjecture. "It might." "It could". "It's possible"

Right now what is known about BSE is that 155 people died from a condition that might have been related to BSE. Your odds of winning the lottery are better than that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'E')ating factory farmed beef is stupid and gross. Besides, grass fed beef tastes a hell of a lot better.


Agreed. Those are all good non-speculative reasons to phase out factory farming. As soon as I am able I will transition to growing all my own meat. Until that time, if I have burger from time to time, I will do it unabashedly and without fretting about BSE. Now mercury in my tuna fish...that's another matter.
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