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Re: Black helicopters circling
by Pops » Mon 19 Jan 2015, 10:52:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I')f you doubt this, think for one moment how much change resulted from electing the most Liberal POTUS we have ever had.
KJ, I always read your stuff because it almost always is exactly the opposite of the fact, LOL
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t’s fairly easy to demonstrate that Mr. Obama’s policy preferences resemble those of a typical Democrat in today’s Congress.
A system called DW-Nominate, developed by a group of six political scientists, rates each member of Congress on a scale from negative 1 (very liberal on economic issues) to positive 1 (very conservative) based on their roll-call votes. The system also creates a score for each president based on cases in which the outcome he desired from a vote in Congress was clearly articulated.
According to the system, the score for the average Democrat in the 111th Congress was -0.382 (negative 0.382), although there was a fairly significant range, from very liberal Democrats like Dennis J. Kucinich (-0.612) and Barbara Lee (-0.743) to moderates like Heath Shuler (-0.100) and Ben Nelson (-0.030).
Mr. Obama’s score of -0.399 was very close to the average, splitting the difference between his party’s liberal and moderate wings. He typically leaves some room to his left. On initiatives ranging from health care to financial regulation, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, as well as many liberal bloggers, thinkers and activists, have complained that his positions concede too much to the Republicans. But Mr. Obama’s positions also generally draw some complaints from moderate, Blue Dog Democrats, and do not always win their votes.
Mr. Obama’s positions are also broadly in line with the median Democratic voter. According to polling conducted by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic-leaning firm, 70 percent of Democrats think Mr. Obama’s positions are “about right”, and those who disagreed were about as likely to say he was too conservative (12 percent) as too liberal (14 percent).
But wait, there's more ...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he authors of DW-Nominate argue that their system can be used to address this question. At their Web site, and in books like “Ideology and Congress”, they argue that the preferences of individual legislators are relatively stable across time, so shifts in the ideological preferences of Congress can be measured by how newly elected legislators vote as compared to the old ones.
According to the system, both parties have been on a trajectory toward more “extreme” positions since roughly 1970, the natural result of which is more polarization. However, the parties do not quite share equal responsibility for this: Republicans have moved about twice as much to the right as Democrats have to the left. Also, while the Democrats’ leftward shift was essentially a one-off event, the result of many moderate, Southern Democrats losing their seats in the early 1990s, the Republicans’ rightward transition has been continuous and steady.
More at the link
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... ent-obama/
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Re: Black helicopters circling
by SeaGypsy » Mon 19 Jan 2015, 11:47:51
Really there's no choice but to let go.
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Re: Black helicopters circling
by KaiserJeep » Mon 19 Jan 2015, 12:11:07
Pops, I said "the most Liberal POTUS we have ever had", not the "most Liberal Democrat".
The POTUS always occupies some middle ground in his party. Obama's position is further to the Left of Clinton, Carter, and even Johnson, who was the most Liberal before Obama. Johnson was there on the ticket to balance JFK, one of the most conservative Right Wing Democrats ever.
If the POTUS is a leader, he has power. If he can't lead, he is relatively powerless - and has to abuse his executive powers.
The POTUS always occupies some middle ground in his party. Obama's position is further to the Left of Clinton, Carter, and even Johnson, who was the most Liberal before Obama. Johnson was there on the ticket to balance JFK, one of the most conservative Right Wing Democrats ever.
If the POTUS is a leader, he has power. If he can't lead, he is relatively powerless - and has to abuse his executive powers.
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Re: Black helicopters circling
by Pops » Mon 19 Jan 2015, 12:23:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y contrast, there has been no consistent pattern among Democratic presidents. Mr. Obama, according to the system, rates as being slightly more conservative than Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy, but slightly more liberal than Lyndon B. Johnson, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman — although all of the scores among Democratic presidents are close and generally within the system’s margin of sampling error.
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