Tikib, maybe these people can help with some of the issues you're going through. They're in the southwest of England, but likely can help no matter where you are in the UK:
http://www.transitionnetwork.org/
or here:
http://www.transitionpenwith.org.uk/
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Re: time to be ready.
by WildRose » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 03:15:21
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Re: time to be ready.
by Tikib » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 03:48:14
Yes I am depressed but no you can't help. The UK is in overshoot as much as almost any country. I going to stop posting as its stopped being useful.
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Re: time to be ready.
by Shaved Monkey » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 03:53:52
Watch welcome to Lagos
Man is a pretty resilient animal.
Life is what you make of what you have with the cards you are dealt.
http://vimeo.com/11206466
Man is a pretty resilient animal.
Life is what you make of what you have with the cards you are dealt.
http://vimeo.com/11206466
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Re: time to be ready.
by Sixstrings » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 06:43:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'Y')es I am depressed but no you can't help. The UK is in overshoot as much as almost any country. I going to stop posting as its stopped being useful.
If you're depressed and have been for a while and are in a rut, then think about getting into talking therapy with a therapist.
To be a survivor, you must have self-awareness and to know when you have a problem, whether it's medical or mental health. It's out of balance to overly worry TOO MUCH on big big existential issues such as "climate change" or "peak oil" to the point where one is just depressed about it every day.
You need to break it down to the smaller issues in your life, that you can actually do something about, and get away from the big issues. If you're out of work, it's not "overpopulation and the economy is so bad," but rather it's just that YOU want a job. You can't solve the global economy and get everyone a job, but you could get yourself one no matter how bad the economy is.
Are you against something like talking therapy with a therapist? If you are, then just look at it like a life coach thing, it's no big deal.
If you're in a depression rut, then something like getting into therapy -- or really any community, church, transition group, whatever -- is what's needed. You have to take some steps for change, for there to be any change.
Best of luck. And if I sound like a jerk I don't mean to be, if someone is depressed then it's not going to help to be a jerk and say "get a life," but if you're depressed then you should force yourself to get to a therapist. Just walk in and tell them you're depressed and let them work on it with you; therapy actually works, people get better with it.
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Re: time to be ready.
by Newfie » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 08:33:23
Scrub...
Re: getting out of the city.......yeah! I live in a center city, I NEED to get out and see something green or I go into a depression. I wasn't meant to live here. 360 days to go.
Re: getting out of the city.......yeah! I live in a center city, I NEED to get out and see something green or I go into a depression. I wasn't meant to live here. 360 days to go.
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Re: time to be ready.
by Ibon » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 10:22:38
I think Tikib's depression is related to seeing the filth of humanity on the planet, deep in overshoot, and seeing no actions taken, neither by humans trying to do something about it nor natural consequences yet taking place. This creates an extended situation where we hang in a chronic state of inaction and yet bearing witness to the continuing dysfunction, degradation, rape, pillage and human indifference. This is a miserable place to get stuck in. And that is where we are.
As the consequences of overshoot bear down on us we will find the response quite interesting. Some folks who were depressed during the current inaction phase might perk up and become quite pro active and pull together as the dysfunctional status quo gets challenged and communities and families pull together.
Many others who have been arrogantly ignoring the degradation and want the status quo by all means to persevere will then be the group that might fall into depression and suicide.
The response to the passivity of overshoot will differ from the response to the consequences. Those who "psychologically" perish represent a sort of cultural natural selection.
Everyone is deserving of a degree of compassion and effort to help sort this out. But only to a degree. Those who persist in their depressions once the parameters are clearly understood will be selected out of the population and frankly overextending compassion to such "hopeless" cases is a waste of a valuable human resource.
Like all else that will be constrained our compassion also has to be applied with the greatest of efficiency, what that means is bearing good riddance to those who refuse the forces moving us back toward staying within carrying capacity and supporting those who represent the vanguard of a new sustainable paradigm.
The individual's depression is a synergy between ones personal bio chemistry and the cultural inertia and cultural pathology that ones depression has to bear witness to. This creates a dynamic foundation for cultural evolution, some will take the challenge and lead while others will fall.
This is far better than being stuck in a passive dead end where we are at the moment, with the Overshoot Predator still in hibernation while parasitic humans remain resilient in their dysfunction.
As the consequences of overshoot bear down on us we will find the response quite interesting. Some folks who were depressed during the current inaction phase might perk up and become quite pro active and pull together as the dysfunctional status quo gets challenged and communities and families pull together.
Many others who have been arrogantly ignoring the degradation and want the status quo by all means to persevere will then be the group that might fall into depression and suicide.
The response to the passivity of overshoot will differ from the response to the consequences. Those who "psychologically" perish represent a sort of cultural natural selection.
Everyone is deserving of a degree of compassion and effort to help sort this out. But only to a degree. Those who persist in their depressions once the parameters are clearly understood will be selected out of the population and frankly overextending compassion to such "hopeless" cases is a waste of a valuable human resource.
Like all else that will be constrained our compassion also has to be applied with the greatest of efficiency, what that means is bearing good riddance to those who refuse the forces moving us back toward staying within carrying capacity and supporting those who represent the vanguard of a new sustainable paradigm.
The individual's depression is a synergy between ones personal bio chemistry and the cultural inertia and cultural pathology that ones depression has to bear witness to. This creates a dynamic foundation for cultural evolution, some will take the challenge and lead while others will fall.
This is far better than being stuck in a passive dead end where we are at the moment, with the Overshoot Predator still in hibernation while parasitic humans remain resilient in their dysfunction.
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Re: time to be ready.
by Ibon » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 10:47:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')crub...
Re: getting out of the city.......yeah! I live in a center city, I NEED to get out and see something green or I go into a depression. I wasn't meant to live here. 360 days to go.
Re: getting out of the city.......yeah! I live in a center city, I NEED to get out and see something green or I go into a depression. I wasn't meant to live here. 360 days to go.
It helps to stare out at the canopy of the cloud forest every morning Newfie but it is not an escape from the burden of being a member of a species whose current dominant cultural expression has lost all dignity and integrity. The depression over our current state of affairs, even if you place yourself in a pristine place, remains, and in some ways, can be stronger. I look out every morning on a preserved wilderness and it reminds me of the thousands of acres of similar habitat that is being plundered every day. When you are lost in your urban jungle there are enough distractions to make you forget this.
Of course, nature so close and raw provides you tremendous spiritual opportunities to bond with the natural world. And this makes the degradation less abstract and more painful and personal. The more you commune with love and brotherhood with the natural world the more you have to manage pain and depression at seeing what we are doing to our planet.
Anyone who is awake to the times feels intimately the damage our species is doing to our planet. There is no place to go to escape this.
Most of humanity has become desensitized to the natural world and does not have an intimate relationship with that which we are destroying. Their ignorance spares them the despair. It also leaves them woefully unprepared for the sting of change that is coming.
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Re: time to be ready.
by SeaGypsy » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 18:22:48
Having lived many years in & around various intentional communities, I can say for sure that the capacity & interest in motivating the hopeless depressed desperadoes who regularly show up wanting to be saved is not there. Modern society has made an industry of looking after people who in tribal society would get a boot up the arse & told to get on with pulling their weight.
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Re: time to be ready.
by Sixstrings » Mon 05 Jan 2015, 19:24:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'A')s the consequences of overshoot bear down on us we will find the response quite interesting. Some folks who were depressed during the current inaction phase might perk up and become quite pro active and pull together as the dysfunctional status quo gets challenged and communities and families pull together.
Nice post and you are right Ibon, I'd say it's like "stages of grief." New people that come on this forum may be in a different stage that others were once in, years ago, and they have a right to go through the stages and who knows where that leads -- Tiki may be a wise grizzled old doomer in years to come, not shaken by anything that happens in the world anymore, but maybe doing positive things to effect change.
So yeah, we shouldn't be too hard on someone new on the forum, who is in a different stage.
OTOH, I do have my own theories about doomerism -- that it is psychologically DISPLACED angst over more immediate things in a person's life. Look to the smaller things in one's life, and the big things won't be so distressing. Evolution-wise, we are WIRED to worry about things so we can anticipate threats and be ready to handle them.
But if one is so worried about 20 years from now that one is not doing what one needs to survive TODAY, then that is when there is a mental health short circuit of neurons.
If one's depression over "climate change" -- valid and understandable -- lasts TOO LONG and hobbles life in the present -- the right here and now, today, like eating and getting a job and doing all the crap we all have to do every day, that real clinical depression shuts down -- then that is when one has to get help, that's all.
(in other words, I'd say that if one is deeply affected by any tragedy, then either get over it OR -- make doing something positive about it as a reason to live and thrive, rather than staying in depression over it. Turn grief into a positive force, rather than a debilitating force.)
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Re: time to be ready.
by Ibon » Tue 06 Jan 2015, 22:12:59
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But you know what? I also found fresh footprints of black bear and mountain lion on the muddy f#cked-up logging road. These cutovers make great habitat, better than climax forests for deer and their predators. Life goes on. I'd leave if I were your Ibon. Things change.
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But you know what? I also found fresh footprints of black bear and mountain lion on the muddy f#cked-up logging road. These cutovers make great habitat, better than climax forests for deer and their predators. Life goes on. I'd leave if I were your Ibon. Things change.
The most wildlife our game cameras pick up here at Mount Totumas are actually in the 2nd growth forests bordering pastures; Mountain Lions, Collared peccaries, Coati's, armadillos, agoutis. red brocket deer, etc. In deep closed virgin forests there is less game but we do get the more elusive animals like the ocelot and we know there are jaguars and tapirs in there......the day we get images of either of those on our game cameras will be a celebration. Closed pastures left to reforest on their own are loaded with birds and wildlife within 2-3 years. Edge habitat and regenerating habitat is quite productive actually.
Now Pstarr, can you elaborate why I should leave? There is nothing threatening the status of La Amistad National Park that borders our property which is over a million acres and our 400 acres in the buffer zone are providing a valuable corridor for attitudinal migrants. Where do you propose I go?
Mountain Lion
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Mountain Lion
Collared Peccary
Red Brocket Deer
Ocelot
Resplendent Quetzal, an endangered bird that is an alttitudinal migrant of Central Americas cloud forests. We have several nesting pairs every spring and post breeding they are present in lower elevations.Patiently awaiting the pathogens. Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
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