The hardest decision I face today

by **Specop_007** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 03:03:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'J')ack, being a laissez faire capitalist, I suspect he would tell you that being the IT hooker was more consistent with his principles.

by **smallpoxgirl** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 03:04:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'M')ost of us chose Bush as the lesser of two evils.

by **Hawkcreek** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 12:29:49

by **Specop_007** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 12:50:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')emember, I would be moving home to become a business owner and self employed. Isnt that the epitome of a capitalistic society, to make your own way?

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 13:07:43

Maybe they have a Restaraunt you could work in. :-D

by **Hawkcreek** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 13:24:00

by **highlander** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 13:28:05

It looks like a no-brainer to me. take advantage of the educational opportunities offer to you by your employer, get your certs, a little more experience then start your own business wherever you want too. Peak oil or no, we've probably got a few years before the recession affects everything. Stock up now while things are good.

by MD » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 13:42:31

Within two years, or perhaps less, I will have a fully functioning CNC machine shop with biodiesel power and no debt, right in my back yard. That depends on my 50 mile commuter job staying viable for two more years. There might be enough time...

by **uNkNowN ElEmEnt** » Sun 26 Jun 2005, 14:03:58

Having kids can make the whole decision tougher but they really are (sorry to say) not relevant to the decision. If you move for a better kind of life in the country, they 1) will not have all the opportunities they would in the city even for recreation 2) they would have a more natural environment but as a business owner they would probably have dad around less, and you are what they would choose everytime.

If it were me I'd go with highlander for the mean time. pay down the debts save as much as you can, get your certs and wait a bit more. you could start container gardening which will carry over into the country and start saving up for land.

What is the best decision for you though... Do you need to escape the city crap or are you ok with it etc?

by **Specop_007** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 01:33:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think I have less debt then you assume I do.

House payment
Student loan payment

by **k_semler** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 02:01:55

Well, "Nobody ever wishes they had less of an education," either. Yet here I am, wishing I had never known about Peak Oil or the recent decision about emminint domain. At least then, I could lead the materialistic lifestyle of my generation, (buy now pay later if ever), than worrying about the continual decay of our constitutional republic and downfall of industrial society. I would sooner be a shell of a man only absorbed in how much "bling-bling" I have. Quite honestly, this "education" has driven me to the brink of sanity.

Do I leave the USA, revolt, or slowly simmer in my stew? Do I move to the Blue mountians and never come back, stay where I am, or move to town? If I stay in the USA, where can I move to that ED will not affect me at all? If I choose to revolt, how do I recruit men, and what targets to attack, (I have an idea for the latter). Do I even bother continuing life knowing that in 50 years we will be probably worse off than Costa Rica or Mexico, and only little better than the present-day DPRK? If I could have done it over again, I would choose to remain ignorant of the issues.

by **Doly** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 04:08:14

Decisions, decisions...

The difficult bit of PO decisions is usually "when?" Most people have a fairly clear idea of what they would like to do if things get ugly, but when are you going to decide that they are ugly enough? Give yourself timescales. Think: "When X or Y happens, it's the time to do Z."

by **Jenab** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 07:39:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'D')ecisions, decisions...

The difficult bit of PO decisions is usually "when?" Most people have a fairly clear idea of what they would like to do if things get ugly, but when are you going to decide that they are ugly enough? Give yourself timescales. Think: "When X or Y happens, it's the time to do Z."

by **mrniceguy** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 08:21:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
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My dad owns a machine shop and is thinking of expanding. I could move back home and work for him, but doing so gives up my career in the city which pays pretty damned well and has alot of potential. So, I 'd take a signifigant paycut, lose the health, dental and life insurance, lose the 401k and gain a slower paced job that would still pay decently and have my own ladn, live out in the country and be able to do the things I enjoy doing more, such as fishing and shooting.

by **Ludi** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 08:30:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
')2) Move to the country and take a signifigant paycut, less "career" advancement but potentially have a "better standard of living" as it were.

by **4StringSlinger** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 12:55:14

Specop, as a fellow ARFCOMMER, let me offer you this advice:

I fully understand the enormity of a life-changing move such as this, especially given the context. It can be extremely daunting.

That being said...If your gut tells you that things are bad, then you should get the hell out. Now is not the time for indecision. I truly believe that things happen for a reason, and that timing is key.

You would be running a machine shop [very important skill], with your dad in a small town [forming a family/community alliance] which would increase your chances of survival during uncertain times. I wish I had this opportunity.

The fact that you are considering it as a viable option should tell you something. You need to look at this from a purely practical standpoint...and by practical, I don't mean 'monetary'.

Hope this helps, and good luck.

by **holmes** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 15:40:36

Spec, Just take a gander at the big picture. You know deep down inside the cities are done after about half way down the back side of the curve. Get out asap. it doesnt matter if your in an ecovillage. just a smaller community with folks with skills is good. make sure there are palces to grow food. some small towns have none.

by **smallpoxgirl** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 16:28:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('4StringSlinger', 'Y')ou would be running a machine shop [very important skill], with your dad in a small town [forming a family/community alliance] which would increase your chances of survival during uncertain times. I wish I had this opportunity.

by **Specop_007** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 19:55:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrniceguy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '
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My dad owns a machine shop and is thinking of expanding. I could move back home and work for him, but doing so gives up my career in the city which pays pretty damned well and has alot of potential. So, I 'd take a signifigant paycut, lose the health, dental and life insurance, lose the 401k and gain a slower paced job that would still pay decently and have my own ladn, live out in the country and be able to do the things I enjoy doing more, such as fishing and shooting.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 27 Jun 2005, 20:08:39

A love of one's own father seems to be the defining mark of a conservative.

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