[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I') was a more ardent racist when I lived in the hood. The good news is that I managed to bounce, and I'm out of the hood. Probably for good. My town is white to an almost comical percentage, and the percentage of black people is less than 2%. I sometimes go weeks without seeing a black person in my town. When I do, I mentally check off a box that I played Where's Leroy (much like Where's Waldo, but lots more fun at museums and craft beer festivals).

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'S')omebody, in fact a great many somebodies, decided that the general public could not handle the truth, and therefore that the scientific facts about race and intelligence - just one of the many things that were measured and found to differ from one race to another - were best witheld.

[SeaGypsy]

For all your eccentricity 6, you at least deserve credit for wearing your heart on your sleeve. As fickle & jittery as it might be, its fairly clear there is an actual human being there with you. KJ on the other hand is loaded & obtuse. Leaves us guessing, like how would it be to actually spend eternity in some wonky artificial gravity & everything else tin can on the edge of the Universe. Sorry 6 but this one is just a cracker.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'F')or all your eccentricity 6, you at least deserve credit for wearing your heart on your sleeve. As fickle & jittery as it might be, its fairly clear there is an actual human being there with you. KJ on the other hand is loaded & obtuse. Leaves us guessing, like how would it be to actually spend eternity in some wonky artificial gravity & everything else tin can on the edge of the Universe. Sorry 6 but this one is just a cracker.

[SeaGypsy]

Man. I ain't had much white chocolate the last half my adult life. I am yet to meet a Chinese Han / Eritrian hybrid but my guess is some nice specimen are possible there. I'm a friend of the melting pot theorem. Race war looks damned stupid to me.

[Quinny]

Got it in
one Cid - worse than working class tories!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'S')ince the 1600's in America, when landholders sought to drive a wedge between the white indentured servants and the black slaves, the US has used 'divide the lower classes' to great effect to prevent rebellion.

And from this thread it's clear that the working class whites are still too stupid to see their interests are more in common with other working class races than with the ruling class.

Prefering scraps from the table of the rich to a fair and equitable share.

I believe the correct term for that is collaborators. Like the Vichy swine in France, and the Ukrainians who joined the SS.

Perhaps Racism and Fascism somehow goes hand-in-hand, that the same type of person is attracted to both. They don't mind being slaves as long as they get to be the whip slave.

[KaiserJeep]

In answer to your questions, no, I don't think I am a racist.

My thing is that I have NO PATIENCE and NO RESPECT for POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

By all that is Holy, if Black-on-Black crime is amuch bigger problem than White-on-Black, then let us apportion each the appropriate amount of attention.

If the race baiters are whipping up a riot, then why can't the MSM condemn such behavior?

If black youths are playing the "Beat Down" game and attacking other races, let us prosecute them, and add hate crime enhancements to their sentances.

If any of our government policies, be they at Federal, State, or Local levels, are unfair to any racial group, let us address them and correct them.

I am ready to talk about seemingly forbidden topics and look for outside-the-box solutions.

We have real problems, and what we are doing is not working. So let us discuss our problems plainly and seek better solutions.

I am simply tired of pretending things that are not true, and pretending that things are getting better.

[Quinny]

I agree we have real problems, and what we are doing is not working. So let us discuss our problems plainly and seek better solutions.

So what are the problems you perceive where race is significant? And what are your solutions?

You're obviously one with the clever genes, so you should have the answers!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'I')n answer to your questions, no, I don't think I am a racist.

My thing is that I have NO PATIENCE and NO RESPECT for POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

We have real problems, and what we are doing is not working. So let us discuss our problems plainly and seek better solutions.

[SeaGypsy]

Still looks to me like KJ is beating around the bush. Calling everyone PC but won't just blurt out WTF he is actually on about.

[Sixstrings]

Update on my first experience at interracial dating (my original post is in one of the Ferguson threads, I think).

So anyhow, race has been so much not a factor that I actually completely forgot about it!

And, I did something stupid. I was driving around with her tonight and something slipped out in a way I would normally only say to white family or a white friend.

I was talking about my brother that doesn't quite know how to act appropriately sometimes and doesn't have street smarts, and how he almost started a fight with a BLACK GUY at the restaurant over who was in line first for the soda machine.

The way I said it -- BLACK guy, emphasis on black, I knew right away I'd slipped up.

So I immediately said "oh I didn't mean how that sounded, you know it's not about race, it's ghetto people, there's ghetto white people too like rednecks and meth heads."

So she looks at me and says, "I know, but, if you have to qualify a comment like you just did then that means you did say something racial."

I didn't know what to say to that, so just kept driving.

She wasn't bothered by it though. Later on we watched Anchor Man 2 and she laughed at the part where Ron Burgundy is being a complete jerk to his black girlfriend's family.

Later I told her how there's a family rumor / legend that we have a black or mixed great-grandmother.

Race hasn't been an issue in this thing with us. We talk about a lot of things, pretty much everything but race. She is half and half, and did mention to me that the white family she was raised in "was very racist." I can tell that experience caused a lot of hurt for her and some issues. I know Obama has spoken about this and written about it, the challenge and culture clash of being mixed race and raised by a white family and not feeling like you belong. And that's what my lady friend has told me, that's the impression I get, it's like not feeling completely accepted by your own family.

I'm a sensitive guy and I'm sure not going to say anything that could make her feel bad, so I will HAVE TO WATCH IT with slip ups and the kinds of things my inner circle says. Basically, "that BLACK guy" kind of thing where you put the emphasis on black.

It would be like dating a Mexican woman, and complaining about Mexicans, you just gotta watch it.

And I really need to get this DNA test done, that swab thing you just mail off. I'm curious, I really want to know if I have some African American genetics. (I don't look it)

What if I find out, that I do? I'm too darn old to have an identity crisis, but I think i'd feel different, just to know. If I do, then my lilly white model good looks sister does too. That would sure trip her out, to know for sure, that we are actually mixed!

If I am mixed, it would be something like the great grandmother that my grandfather would never talk much about. Family rumor is that she was half cherokee, half black.

Anyhow.. back to romance.. Sixstrings is still a pretty happy guy. I've been so lonely for a long time. The companionship is nice. We have these nerdy common interests, I normally never find anyone that shares that in common. She's one of the funniest people I've ever met. We're going to start taking some trips together.

I made her dinner tonight. Baked lemon pepper tilapia, with italian herbs and parmesan and butter. Man, that stuff came out well.

[Rod_Cloutier]

I never thought I would reply to this thread, until this week when my boss told me that some contents of a work e-mail I sent out were racist.

The company I work for prides itself on communication above all else. Recently some of the sub-contractors have been hiring people who don't speak a word of English and who can't communicate with staff in any meaningful way. I brought this matter to the attention of the management, suggesting:

"If communication is our #1 priority, new employees such have at least a basic understanding of English, or be enrolled in a English as a second language course as a condition of employment."

This short statement sent to management almost led to my termination. I was subsequently given several verbal and private warnings that racism won't be tolerated. I told each of them that their isn't a racist part of me at all. That I meant just what I said, no reading into this required.

So I'm now in the doghouse at work. Apparently, it is no concern that hiring people who can't communicate, which is directly in contradiction to their established policies, is a hot potato subject that is never to be discussed.

I didn't even suggest that people who can't speak English shouldn't be hired, I just suggested they should be required to learn English to be a part of the team.

I don't get it- where did I go wrong here?

[KaiserJeep]

Quite simply, you were not Politically Correct.

Political Correctness requires that a double standard exist, higher for you as a member of the "majority" than for the particular group that the standard is intended for.

The "majority" today includes the people that came over on the Mayflower and other early ships and founded all 13 original colonies - except their Black slaves. It includes the Irish immigrants, the Polish, the Germans, the Italians, the Koreans, the various Hispanics from Europe and the Americas, the Chinese, the Japanese, and the Koreans. And everyone else who was ever an immigrant to the USA.

Each of these groups was once a despised minority in this country, then they worked and succeeded in bettering themselves in the classic fashion that pretty much happens only in the USA. The the famous "melting pot" took over, and after 3-4 generations, they became hard to distinguish from other Americans.

In 18th and 19th century America, there were two groups which were never merged into the mainstream US culture. They were the Black slaves from colonial days and the Native Americans (aka "Indians") who inhabited the country before the European settlers founded those 13 original colonies.

These two groups of people were selected for particular persecution and abuse by approximately half of the population of the USA. One of the most Racist people to ever live in the USA was a man named Andrew Jackson, the son of recent Scots and Irish immigrants and eventually the seventh president of the USA and the founder of the modern Democratic Party.

Jackson based two main planks of the Democratic party upon the continued practice of Black slavery (he was born in the Carolina colony and was a later founder of the state of Tennessee, and owned hundreds of slave on his Hermitage plantation) and secondly he favored the forced relocation of "Indians" to plantations in Oklahoma (after fighting Indians for years in his US Army career).

The primary opposition to the racist Democratic policies was the Republican Party, founded by Abraham Lincoln. The political gap between the Democrats and Republicans was vast, and resulted in the American Civil War. Nominally the South lost this war, but the Democratic party remains powerful and continues to oppress minorities, while paying lip service to racial equality.

The racist policies of the Democrats are "Affirmative Action", "Hate Crime" enhancement penalties to existing laws, selective enforcement of anti-discrimination statutes according to the race of the offendor/victim, etc. etc.

A moment's reflection by a thoughtful person would detect the glaring flaws in a policy that enforces laws unequally according to race, with the intent of making those racial distinctions disappear. But it is not PC to say so.

A moment's reflection by a thoughtful person would discern the fact that the Democratic Party is still engaged in the systematic oppression of former Black slaves, "Indians", and modern Hispanic immigrants from South and Central America, via the racist policies I identified above. But it is not PC to say so - instead we must pretend that all we have to do is continue to perpetuate these absurd racist policies, and racial distinctions will disappear.

Now, sit back and watch while outraged Democrats and silly "Progressives" of all varieties call ME a Racist, for relating obvious truths. In fact neither you nor I am a Racist, but calling us such - and then punishing us for being such - is a modern tactic of the true Racists in our society.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'I') brought this matter to the attention of the management, suggesting:

"If communication is our #1 priority, new employees such have at least a basic understanding of English, or be enrolled in a English as a second language course as a condition of employment."

This short statement sent to management almost led to my termination. I was subsequently given several verbal and private warnings that racism won't be tolerated. I told each of them that their isn't a racist part of me at all. That I meant just what I said, no reading into this required.

So I'm now in the doghouse at work. Apparently, it is no concern that hiring people who can't communicate, which is directly in contradiction to their established policies, is a hot potato subject that is never to be discussed.

[Rod_Cloutier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s your coworkers' english language skills really so bad that you cannot work with them or understand them at all?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')s your coworkers' english language skills really so bad that you cannot work with them or understand them at all?

[Rod_Cloutier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut what kind of work is it, anyway, if it's manufacturing or something then they don't need to speak english.

[Rod_Cloutier]

Also, Sixstrings I wouldn't bother with that personal DNA test. Really, how will it impact the rest of your life? I'm assuming you are middle aged, with Peak oil & everything else coming down the line, how much will it matter?

On the last census I had to add additional lines for the ethnic background of my kids. I am personally a Canadian of Irish, English, and American decent. My wife is a Canadian of German, French, and Aboriginal Indian decent. So our kids our Irish, English, American, Canadian, German, French, and Aboriginal decent. I have an Aunt who married a black man from Trinidad in the 60's, so I even have first cousins who are partially black who are as much a part of my family as anyone else.

In another 4 generations of time, around the year 2100, everyone will be some of everything, and the 'ancient' racial ideas will have passed into distant cultural memory.