Hello? Nuclear fission can provide enough energy for a growing economy for thousands of years, and one might imagine sometime during that period we can make affordable solar and fusion power.
End of civilization nonsense is just stupid because its clearly illustrated as false just by running the numbers of alternatives. Economic pain in the short term may be a real concern, but I'd wager if you could actually see fifty years into the future it won't look nearly as grim as many are predicting here.
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Something I don't understand about non-believers..
by Dezakin » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 18:22:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually nuclear fission could only maintain output for 40 years or so unless you use breeder reactors.
Huh. Once a week theres someone who believes this. Actually theres enough nuclear fuel to supply global consumption at current levels for hundreds of millions of years, and we can illustrate the numbers quite clearly. The number you are currently citing is from current uranium mines using the once through fuel cycle, without opening any other uranium mines at all. This tired statistic has often been misrepresented to either fuel breeder reactor development or to illustrate nuclear power as unviable.
Even with the once through fuel cycle, uranium reserves in current mines are a function of price, and nuclear power is very insensitive to fuel price. A doubling of the fuel price is estimated to multiply uranium reserves by 10, and even then its cheap as dirt. I'm not sure whether breeder reactors will ever take off because I'm not sure uranium will ever be expensive enough to justify their development.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut can you use that nuclear power to make petrochemicals?
Yes, of course.
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by 0mar » Fri 24 Jun 2005, 18:22:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'A')ctually nuclear fission could only maintain output for 40 years or so unless you use breeder reactors.
But can you use that nuclear power to make petrochemicals?
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But can you use that nuclear power to make petrochemicals?
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With sufficenct energy, you can do just about anything.
Reducing CO2 to methane and chaining them up is child's play. For example, a real cool thing is that you can transform elements into other elements, essentially making carbon from other elements. You can split heavier atoms into smaller ones, fuse smaller ones into heavier ones.
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"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
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by Liamj » Sat 25 Jun 2005, 13:06:24
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'T')here are alot of people out there who will say out loud "well, if that happens i would rather die"...
These are the people i am most afraid of...because when TSHTF these are the people who feel entitled to all YOUR food & water...i fully expect violence from people who say that...and i believe them to be the majority!
These are the people i am most afraid of...because when TSHTF these are the people who feel entitled to all YOUR food & water...i fully expect violence from people who say that...and i believe them to be the majority!
I persist in warning people in spite of being judged a tinfoil hat wearing doomsday loonie, sadly thinking someday I may have to shoot some of these very same scoffers to keep them out of my vegetables.
I'm liking the loony role, smiling pleasantly as people mentally tar me.
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