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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 30 Nov 2014, 22:43:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')I think people wanted a trial, and there would not have been any expectation of a conviction, but they wanted an open investigation.

We used to have a system where the mob determined guilt and innocence. It was called lynching.

You sound like you yearn for the good ol' days.

Asking for a trial is the moral equivalent of crying for a lynching?

How did you forget to claim your moral equivalence to the holocaust Jews?

EDIT: I see that the "lynching" talking point seems to be popular on the right wing blogs this evening. What's the source of this? Hannity? My neighbor used to do stuff like that and I would ask him where he got those talking points, but he would never say. I think he got most of his news from chain emails.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 30 Nov 2014, 22:46:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'S')o, which one of you who thinks that Darren Wilson murdered Michael Brown would take Wilson's place in the confrontation? Anybody? You'd be dead now for giving him that moment of hesitation. If you can't admit that then you need to do some thinking.

I wouldn't get caught in the middle of my street holding my dick like Wilson, because he's a stupid bumblefuck, in addition to not being able to shoot worth a damn.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Loki » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 00:09:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')I think people wanted a trial, and there would not have been any expectation of a conviction, but they wanted an open investigation.

We used to have a system where the mob determined guilt and innocence. It was called lynching.

You sound like you yearn for the good ol' days.

Asking for a trial is the moral equivalent of crying for a lynching?

How did you forget to claim your moral equivalence to the holocaust Jews?

EDIT: I see that the "lynching" talking point seems to be popular on the right wing blogs this evening. What's the source of this? Hannity? My neighbor used to do stuff like that and I would ask him where he got those talking points, but he would never say. I think he got most of his news from chain emails.

In many states a grand jury determines whether or not a case goes to trial. Due to the overwhelming mass of evidence supporting the officer's story about self-defense, the grand jury declined to advance this case to the trial phase. This is the justice system in action.

You and the racist mobs you support apparently would like to bypass that part of our legal process. Why not just bypass the whole thing and go straight to the hanging? That's what you and the racist mobs want, right? You don't think there would have been burning and looting had the officer been prosecuted and found innocent? A guilty verdict followed by an immediate hanging is the only thing that would have placated the mob.

And what on earth does the Holocaust have to do with anything? Are you equating the "murder" of this "poor innocent black baby who didn't do nuffin'" to the mass murder of Jews by the Nazis? The same thing in your mind, I suppose.

There are actual racist mobs in this case, but you're on their side. Does that make you a Nazi? Or just a Nazi sympathizer?
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Loki » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 00:13:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'S')o, which one of you who thinks that Darren Wilson murdered Michael Brown would take Wilson's place in the confrontation? Anybody? You'd be dead now for giving him that moment of hesitation. If you can't admit that then you need to do some thinking.

I wouldn't get caught in the middle of my street holding my dick like Wilson, because he's a stupid bumblefuck, in addition to not being able to shoot worth a damn.

Meh, he killed that innocent black baby pretty dead. Boom, head shot! :lol:
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 03:00:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')You and the racist mobs you support apparently

Yes I am one of those anti-white racist that Hitler warned us about when he saved the world. BTW, I seriously doubt you anywhere near as white as I am.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
') A guilty verdict followed by an immediate hanging is the only thing that would have placated the mob.

Could you not be such a stupid bung hole because next you'll be saying white are tired of being forced to rise in the back the bus.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')And what on earth does the Holocaust have to do with anything? Are you equating the "murder" of this "poor innocent black baby who didn't do nuffin'" to the mass murder of Jews by the Nazis? The same thing in your mind, I suppose.
I figured that since you were ranting about black people lynching whites, it was inevitable you were claim a chunk of the Holocaust.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '
')There are actual racist mobs in this case, but you're on their side. Does that make you a Nazi? Or just a Nazi sympathizer?
Yeah, it was the Nazis who were worried about being wiped out by the antiwhite racists, so you are literally regurgitating Mein Kampf. That's "Beck's Law," that whenever a conservative starts ranting about "Nazis" they must then lovingly quote Goebbels and hitler.

In this case, as I explained upthread, they had to throw away the grand jury system to make this work. Here's the record for a grand jury, but they were investigating a large conspiracy and huge number of crimes going back 70 years

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')rand Jury Investigation
Lift statute of limitations in Pennsylvania, revise laws related to child sexual abuse
September 27, 2005|The Morning Call
The nation's longest grand jury investigation into priest abuse resulted in a scathing report last week, with Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham underscoring its seriousness: "When we say abuse, we don't just mean inappropriate touching. We mean child rape."

The grand jury convened in 2002. Its report documents assaults on minors by more than 60 priests in the Philadelphia Archdiocese since 1945, including 12 who served in the Lehigh Valley region at some point. (The Allentown Diocese was part of the Philadelphia Archdiocese until 1961.) It also describes how two former archbishops, Cardinals Anthony Bevilacqua and John Krol, and now-Allentown Bishop Edward P. Cullen, then chief aide to Cardinal Bevilacqua, covered up the abuse.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby evilgenius » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 14:05:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'S')o, which one of you who thinks that Darren Wilson murdered Michael Brown would take Wilson's place in the confrontation? Anybody? You'd be dead now for giving him that moment of hesitation. If you can't admit that then you need to do some thinking.

I wouldn't get caught in the middle of my street holding my dick like Wilson, because he's a stupid bumblefuck, in addition to not being able to shoot worth a damn.

Look, it's a cop's job to confront people who do things like walk down the middle of the street. You wouldn't make a very good cop if you shied away from confronting people who most of us would simply expect to listen to authority and comply, let alone those who we might expect to have trouble with.

If you are getting at the history of police harassment in Ferguson, however, I understand that. I believe, based upon multiple stories, that such a history exists. I think I hear you saying that if you were in Wilson's place you would be sure not to continue that. That's a good thing. Confronting a couple of men walking down the middle of the street does not constitute harassment, though. It doesn't matter that they were black and that the history of harassment existed. If Wilson had said something to Brown, calling him a racist name or something, then that would have been brought into the equation. As far as anybody has recounted that didn't happen. What did seem to happen was that Brown was agitated about being stopped in the course of his binge and tried to push back at Wilson for that.

As far as Wilson not being a very good shot, perhaps it's about time we remembered that there is a reason why the police get issued .38's and not magnums of .357 or .440 size. That reason is that they won't always hit their targets. History teaches us that the best shots on the range often miss in the wild. Therefore, they are issued weapons whose ammunition won't go through too many things once it is loose in the wild.

What I was trying to get at, though, is only tangentially related to your response. I was trying to address Brown's despair, the thing that sent him on his rampage in the first place. No, I don't think he was a bad kid. I think he snapped. Further, I think he snapped because the world around him made no sense. The pressure of facing his future in the world in which he found himself was too much, probably. For that I think the black community of Ferguson deserves a lot of the blame, along with those who had it within their grasp to act in a better way toward those who were weak before them and created the history of harassment I've already acknowledged. The trouble is that the black community of Ferguson has the power now, and has always had the power, to end what is going on, by voting.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 14:21:38

Assuming Wilson shot Brown in the hand in the car, if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street? Also, assume Brown was leaving a blood trail that could be followed later even if he somehow ran away. Plus everyone would have been able to ID him. Wilson got a severe case of tunnel vision.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 14:30:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'L')ook, it's a cop's job to confront people who do things like walk down the middle of the street.


By the way -- people in the ghetto really do all walk in the middle of the darn street.

Like there are no rules about anything, it's wild.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 15:55:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ssuming Wilson shot Brown in the hand in the car, if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street? Also, assume Brown was leaving a blood trail that could be followed later even if he somehow ran away. Plus everyone would have been able to ID him. Wilson got a severe case of tunnel vision.



If an officer allows someone who is obviously crazed enough to attack an officer in broad daylight then letting him go back into the public where he could harm others, I would charge him with dereliction of duty (military) or Nonfeasance in office or something akin to those laws in Ferguson, Mo..

It's not about catching the attacker later after he kills someone else down the street it's about protecting and serving the community, not hiding in your car or covering your ass.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 16:26:14

Go play with your xbox.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 16:38:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', ' ')if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street?


Wilson was just doing his job. An important part of a policeman's job is arresting dangerous criminals.

Wilson first tried to apprehend Brown for the grocery store strong-arm robbery, since he matched the description of the perp. Brown resisted arrest, assaulted Wilson, and then tried to flee the scene. After Brown assaulted Wilson, Wilson had no choice but to try and arrest him. Brown was on a one-man crime spree. Strong-arm robbery is a felony, Resisting arrest is a felony, and assaulting a police officer is a very serious felony crime.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 16:53:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'G')o play with your xbox.



What's an xbox? Is that like an Ipad, I think my children have one of them. Myself I'm a laptop guy.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby careinke » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 18:39:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ssuming Wilson shot Brown in the hand in the car, if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street? Also, assume Brown was leaving a blood trail that could be followed later even if he somehow ran away. Plus everyone would have been able to ID him. Wilson got a severe case of tunnel vision.


I really don't think you are cop material Preston. Just sayin... 8)
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Loki » Mon 01 Dec 2014, 22:17:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ssuming Wilson shot Brown in the hand in the car, if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street? Also, assume Brown was leaving a blood trail that could be followed later even if he somehow ran away. Plus everyone would have been able to ID him. Wilson got a severe case of tunnel vision.

Agreed with Plant, you'd be a terrible cop. You sound like a pathetic little coward who'd piss his pink panties and let Brown go on with his rampage rather then step up like a man and do something to stop him. Stopping thugs like Brown is kinda sorta Wilson's job, ya know? :lol:
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 02 Dec 2014, 01:09:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I') really don't think you are cop material Preston. Just sayin... 8)


I don't know, Wilson kept saying how "afraid" he was, and how he was "scared" of Brown, and Brown was just super frightening and made a scary face at him. And I don't think I would have simply sat in my car if someone would have pushed the door closed or tried to have a slap fight through the window (which was not going well for Wilson), but Wilson's plan was "Well I'll just push on the door some more." I would have rolled the car forward or back. But Wilson was so panic stricken he basically he forgot he was in an SUV and lost control of the situation instantly. This guy is dumb the way chickens are dumb.

But here is something interesting:

Here's the police report where Wilson says that all his shots (except two in the car) were fired when Brown turned and "charged" from a distance of 30 feet, closing to a distance of 15 feet before the shot to the head. During this charge covering fifteen feet, ten shots were fired.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... -main.html

And here's a report form a nationally known company that analyzed a recording of the 10 shots caught on someone's video chat microphone. Those shots took 7 seconds. By Wilson's account, this is the amount of time it took Brown to cover 15 feet. Seven seconds for the terrify "charge" that covered fifteen feet. That's Wilson's testimony compared the actual recording. How to interpret that - the truth is so bad that they couldn't come up with a better story, or they just aren't even trying to come up with a good story?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post ... -shooting/
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 02 Dec 2014, 03:14:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ssuming Wilson shot Brown in the hand in the car, if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street? Also, assume Brown was leaving a blood trail that could be followed later even if he somehow ran away. Plus everyone would have been able to ID him. Wilson got a severe case of tunnel vision.

Agreed with Plant, you'd be a terrible cop. You sound like a pathetic little coward who'd piss his pink panties and let Brown go on with his rampage rather then step up like a man and do something to stop him. Stopping thugs like Brown is kinda sorta Wilson's job, ya know? :lol:


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Good lord, half the people here barely leave their house. Most people that try to make a big noise on-line are what we used to call "shut-ins."
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Tue 02 Dec 2014, 12:58:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ssuming Wilson shot Brown in the hand in the car, if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street? Also, assume Brown was leaving a blood trail that could be followed later even if he somehow ran away. Plus everyone would have been able to ID him. Wilson got a severe case of tunnel vision.

Agreed with Plant, you'd be a terrible cop. You sound like a pathetic little coward who'd piss his pink panties and let Brown go on with his rampage rather then step up like a man and do something to stop him. Stopping thugs like Brown is kinda sorta Wilson's job, ya know? :lol:


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Good lord, half the people here barely leave their house. Most people that try to make a big noise on-line are what we used to call "shut-ins."



I wish I could barely leave the house, because I would certainly stay at my place all the time, I don't know if you would classify it as a shut-in. My frickin bill collectors expect me to keep working.

Preston, I too would make a terrible cop so don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby dissident » Tue 02 Dec 2014, 15:05:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'S')o, which one of you who thinks that Darren Wilson murdered Michael Brown would take Wilson's place in the confrontation? Anybody? You'd be dead now for giving him that moment of hesitation. If you can't admit that then you need to do some thinking.

I wouldn't get caught in the middle of my street holding my dick like Wilson, because he's a stupid bumblefuck, in addition to not being able to shoot worth a damn.

Meh, he killed that innocent black baby pretty dead. Boom, head shot! :lol:


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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby dissident » Tue 02 Dec 2014, 15:09:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')ssuming Wilson shot Brown in the hand in the car, if I were Wilson I would have stayed in the car. why abandon the vehicle to chase someone down the middle of the street? Also, assume Brown was leaving a blood trail that could be followed later even if he somehow ran away. Plus everyone would have been able to ID him. Wilson got a severe case of tunnel vision.


I really don't think you are cop material Preston. Just sayin... 8)


Yeah, cops have to be drones who think with their testicles.

Anyone defending this grossly incompetent cop is an idiot. An idiot who thinks that he is safe because he shares a skin colour with these sorts of cops. Good luck in any encounter with such fine specimens of "law" enforcement, your skin colour won't save you.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 02 Dec 2014, 17:56:07

Oh, dissident, this is a hoot. Everyone knows there's a lot of racism in Russia:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')acism Runs Deep in Russia
Across the country, a young American visitor finds open contempt for minorities.

I’m of Mexican extraction, and the most offended I’ve ever been in my life was when an old man in Sochi told me I looked like Obama — offended not because I’m not an Obama supporter but because I look nothing like him, and the man was clearly treating all dark-pigmented people as interchangeable. Common graffiti include swastikas and slogans like Rossiya dlya russkikh. This means “Russia for Russians,” but the American equivalent would be “America for whites”; rossiyskiy refers to any national of the multiethnic Rossiya (“Russia,” as opposed to the old “Rus’”), whereas russkiy means ethnic Russian. This nuance is lost in translation. “F*** the Caucasus” also seems to be a popular slogan.

The most colorful but most sinister graffito I’ve seen said, “Yid Satanists control Russia, and Putin is their puppet.” In fact, anti-Semitism is conventional wisdom. I met a farmer in the Udmurt Republic who complained about Jews in Moscow robbing the people. I wanted to say that I had no idea Putin, who has made much of his fortune by dispossessing Jews like Khodorkovsky, was Jewish, but I held my tongue.
Several times I’ve been put on trial for my nationality and my country’s alleged sins.

One particularly rude woman on a train to Sochi spent hours haranguing me about America’s evils, which ranged from our invasion of Iraq to McDonald’s making her obese. She looked bewildered when I told her that in America it is generally considered impolite to spoil an acquaintanceship by bringing up politics and that we would never verbally attack a foreign visitor’s country. When I told her Americans don’t cringe in terror at the mention of Russia, she grew even angrier, cursing Putin for his weakness. This same woman thought Gorbachev was an American spy and shouted, “Let the Chinese eat their sushi!”

Her exciteability, sentiment, and ignorance were hardly exceptional. During a lunch break on a tourist excursion in Sochi, a vacationer half-asked me if the U.S. and Russia are enemies. “We don’t worry too much about Russia,” I said, trying to be politic. “We feel more threatened by Iran, North Korea, China . . .”

“I beg of you, how do they threaten you?” he howled before I could finish. Not up to delivering a lecture on the basics of geopolitics to a middle-aged man with a Soviet hangover, I told him that Americans typically aren’t comfortable discussing politics when they first meet people.

“Why, are you afraid of your government?” he asked, in apparent earnestness.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/370083/racism-runs-deep-russia-cody-boutilier


And it's understandable, Russians don't see black folks, or Mexicans, too often.

I've read about France before, and signs that say something like "no Africans allowed" in the restaurant.

Really nobody has a right to call us racist, we're the most progressive country in the world, on race. In no other Western nation would it be politically possible for a black man to get elected prime minister or president.

P.S. this is hilarious:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen I told her Americans don’t cringe in terror at the mention of Russia, she grew even angrier, cursing Putin for his weakness.
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