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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 03:20:45

Perhaps the biggest irony in the Ferguson affair is that if Mike Brown actually had put his hands up he would be still alive.

Another irony is that the fabricated story that he had his hands up when shot were repeated so many times by the media and gullible people in Ferguson that many people in Ferguson now just refuse to accept that Mike Brown wasn't standing still his hands up when shot----although the physical evidence proves Brown was charging the officer to try to attack him a second time when he was fatally shot. Blood spots on the pavement left behind by Brown as he charged the officer begin about 20 feet from where he finally went down, clearly showing he was charging at the officer while the officer was shooting at him.

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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby noobtube » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 11:58:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')409.. is that such a bad number? That's what, less than 1.5 per million people? Seems reasonable to me. For every million people, I'm not surprised there's one or two that are idiot enough to rush an armed officer with his weapon drawn.

If you arm the police, then they can do more to stop crimes in progress, but the cost of that are more police shootings too. Same thing is going on in China now:

Anyhow, US police doesn't have a choice. For better or worse there are more guns than people in the country. All the criminals have guns, so the cops must as well.

People just need to have some sense. YOU MUST LISTEN TO THE POLICE, PERIOD.

It needs to be taught in schools, too, like a public safety thing -- look, you can't ever fight with a cop, kids need to be taught that in schools.

Maybe there's TOO MUCH of "the police is your friend," maybe what kids need taught is that they have to RESPECT those cops and they need to understand what being armed is, etc., and things you can't do to an armed law officer or you're gonna wind up shot.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'P')erhaps the biggest irony in the Ferguson affair is that if Mike Brown actually had put his hands up he would be still alive.

Another irony is that the fabricated story that he had his hands up when shot were repeated so many times by the media and gullible people in Ferguson that many people in Ferguson now just refuse to accept that Mike Brown wasn't standing still his hands up when shot----although the physical evidence proves Brown was charging the officer to try to attack him a second time when he was fatally shot. Blood spots on the pavement left behind by Brown as he charged the officer begin about 20 feet from where he finally went down, clearly showing he was charging at the officer while the officer was shooting at him.


There is so much fail in these two posts. It shows why Americans are hopelessly degenerate. The facts are staring them in the face, but they refuse to accept them.

Cops are not elected, appointed, selected, invited, or chosen by the people who live in the community.

Cops are employees NOT authorities.

Cops are the single, most deadly, criminal element in non-white communities (by a long shot). In fact, an undesirable element would be the best description.

Cops make every non-white community MORE DANGEROUS AND LESS SAFE.

No one has a duty, obligation, nor responsibility to obey cops. The duty is on the COPS, not the people.

Teaching kids to obey cops has to rank as one of the stupidest comments I have seen on Peakoil.com.

If cops feel so scared in non-white communities, why are they there? No one is forcing them to be there. No one asked them to be there. So, why be there if you see the community as a threat? Being a cop is not some kind of requirement of living in the United States, so there is no excuse for the criminal behavior of cops in these communities.

It is these cop defenders that show the nature of the American degenerate. An armed male murders children, and their response is to defend the murderer.

The American sounds like these scumbag lawyers who try to defend their scumbag clients with the most asinine defense, like blaming the victim. But, Americans are psychopaths who use psychopathic defenses.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby rdberg1957 » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 12:26:39

There is so much in this case which is unclear to me. What is clear is that American police are trigger happy. In Germany in 2012, a country of 80 million inhabitants, 6 fatal shootings by police. Police consistently fire their guns fewer than 100 times per year all over Germany. American police may be following rules set by their departments, but the rules are nuts. The reason that American police get into so many violent altercations is that police are aggressive.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 12:53:11

Here's another recent case in the US. This one in North Carolina

Unlike many other cases this cop was arrested and has charges pending. The two known differences is that it is all caught on audio and video and the victim (aka suspect) survived. Initial statements from the cop painted the victim as acting in a menacing way. You be the judge..

Oh, the guy who was shot had just pulled into a gas station to fill up and the cop says he was confronting him because he didn't have his seat belt on .

I don't mean to say there are parallels with Ferguson but getting things on video and audio is good and cops will lie about (or at best severely misinterpret) events after they have used their firearm. The cop in this video in my opinion is way too jumpy and nervous to be a cop. But there are a lot of these guys out there along with a lot of good cops.

Part of the problem relates to funding. Cops should have a partner in my opinion and not be patrolling alone. Having a partner should make even nervous cops a little better in situations like this.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 13:06:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '[')url=http://youtu.be/vtx1tYc7PxI]Here's another recent case in the US. This one in North Carolina[/url]


That video looks really bad.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem to be a video of the actual incident. It appears you've been taken in by a bit of theatre staged by some actors.

You can't believe everything you see on the internet, you know. :idea:
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 13:37:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '[')url=http://youtu.be/vtx1tYc7PxI]Here's another recent case in the US. This one in North Carolina[/url]


That video looks really bad.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem to be a video of the actual incident. It appears you've been taken in by a bit of theatre staged by some actors.

You can't believe everything you see on the internet, you know. :idea:


Well the cop was arrested and the video taken from the cop's dashcam is state's evidence so if it is fake the justice system is failing miserably.

Here is the story from a local news station I assumed you all had at least heard of this but I guess it wasn't widely publicized .

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;You are doing exactly what the police officer asked you do to and you get shot for it?" said Neal, D-Hopkins. "That's insane."

Neal said he doubts the trooper would have been charged without the video. South Carolina has nearly 300 police agencies, and many smaller forces don't have dashboard cameras.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 13:57:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', 'T')here is so much in this case which is unclear to me. What is clear is that American police are trigger happy. In Germany in 2012, a country of 80 million inhabitants, 6 fatal shootings by police. Police consistently fire their guns fewer than 100 times per year all over Germany. American police may be following rules set by their departments, but the rules are nuts. The reason that American police get into so many violent altercations is that police are aggressive.



rdberg1957, how do you know that it's not because American suspects are for more dangerous than Germans? One thing about America is that we do have some dangerous folks out there. Hell I know everyday working class people that will get in a fist fight at the drop of a hat while running errands about town. So maybe the aggressive behaviour by police in America is in direct proportion to aggressive behaviour by criminals in America. Isn't that possible?

Now if you want to look at why our criminals could be much more aggressive that discussion could take all day and I don't have all day so ponder on that for a while. Later!
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby noobtube » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 14:05:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wildbourgman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', 'T')here is so much in this case which is unclear to me. What is clear is that American police are trigger happy. In Germany in 2012, a country of 80 million inhabitants, 6 fatal shootings by police. Police consistently fire their guns fewer than 100 times per year all over Germany. American police may be following rules set by their departments, but the rules are nuts. The reason that American police get into so many violent altercations is that police are aggressive.



rdberg1957, how do you know that it's not because American suspects are for more dangerous than Germans? One thing about America is that we do have some dangerous folks out there. Hell I know everyday working class people that will get in a fist fight at the drop of a hat while running errands about town. So maybe the aggressive behaviour by police in America is in direct proportion to aggressive behaviour by criminals in America. Isn't that possible?

Now if you want to look at why our criminals could be much more aggressive that discussion could take all day and I don't have all day so ponder on that for a while. Later!


Let's see. The American answer to a violent society is to introduce MORE VIOLENCE?!!?!?!?

Are Americans born stupid or just made that way?
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Quinny » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 15:18:19

After seeing a few videos like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05T8Jyq4M0Q.

I agree that this probably wasn't the best case to make a stand .

On the other hand if Brown had experience of similar incidents, maybe he thought he was going to be shot anyway?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wildbourgman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'I')'m confused as to why this was the place to make a stand against police brutality. The guy was killed in ambiguous circumstances after committing a strong arm robbery. Meanwhile, there was a black guy killed at Wal-Mart in September, while shopping for a BB gun and talking on the phone with one of his kids. It was all caught on video. The officers were not charged or disciplined in any way. Why isn't that the situation drawing protests and demands for justice?



KingM, this was a poor choice of a place to make a stand, your right. I think this ends up hurting the overall cause of any future protest against police brutality.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 17:20:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '
')Brown .... maybe he thought he was going to be shot anyway?


The facts indicate the opposite.

Its pretty clear Brown didn't think he was going to be shot. He told the police officer "you're too much of a *ussy to shoot me"

AND that was the last of a long series of poor judgment calls that Brown made that day.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 17:26:58

NYC rookie cop shoots and kills black resident of apartment building for using the stairs and frightening the cop. The victim was unarmed and simply exiting the building where he lives, walking downstairs with his girlfriend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/22/nyreg ... .html?_r=0
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 17:29:15

Rookie cop shoots 12 year old black boy carrying replica gun, drives across lawn staright up to the kid, opens fire at almost point blank range immediately before their car stops rolling. New video completely contradicts cops initial story of the kid ignoring repeated commands etc.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... hot_1.html
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 17:39:31

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... guson.html

Cops in the St. Louis area drive right up to a mentally ill black man with a knife and immediately shoot him at nearly point blank range. Notice the pattern here? Instead of stopping 30 feet away and putting the car between themselves and a suspect, giving them opportunity to try a Taser or bean bag round, they race right up to someone and execute them on the spot.

Also, if you watch the video the cops are still screaming "Get on the ground" after the guy has been shot several times and he has already fallen to the ground. And the cops continue to fire after he has fallen to the ground.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 17:45:10

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigati ... rt-n210646

Cops shoot black man in toy section of WalMart for holding toy gun sold there. The video shows him running in confusion after being wounded and being gunned down, nothing like police's story.

Also, WalMart sells guns right next to the stores. He could have been a shopper with a real gun that he bought right there in the store. It's like the cops went to Gander Mountain, went to the gun counter and shot the only black customer.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 18:11:19

I can't find it but someone did a nice collage of black people killed by the cops for carrying a cell phone or whatever, and then a series of white people who the cops had no trouble taking alive even though they included serial killers, terrorists, hit men, drug lords, etc. Even an assassin and cop killer like Lee Harvey Oswald gets taken alive, but a black guy is likely to get shot 13 times for making a "suspicious move" that never shows up on the video of the incident.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 19:43:04

Black man stopped for "walking with his hands in his pockets" in subfreezing weather.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=43a_1417206562
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Loki » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 20:43:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')ts pretty clear Brown didn't think he was going to be shot. He told the police officer "you're too much of a *ussy to shoot me"


Famous last words :lol: They should put that on his tombstone.

I think the race activists have made a big mistake putting Brown up on the sainthood pedestal. The facts of the case are having a real hard time keeping up with the mythology.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby Loki » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 20:54:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')fter seeing a few videos like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05T8Jyq4M0Q.

I watched that whole video. Some instances of totally unnecessary excessive force, no doubt, for which the officers should be prosecuted. But mostly the video was lessons in why you shouldn't fight the police when they try to arrest you. Once they'e decided to arrest you, fighting them will result in a whooping 100% of the time.

I refer you to Chris Rock's public service announcement on how to avoid getting your ass kicked by the police.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby wildbourgman » Fri 28 Nov 2014, 21:27:19

[/quote]
Let's see. The American answer to a violent society is to introduce MORE VIOLENCE?!!?!?!?

Are Americans born stupid or just made that way?[/quote]


America was born when people demanded liberty and then took that liberty at the barrel of a gun, so yes gun violence to a certain extent is part of our society because of our history. It's Europeans that forced us to take up arms once to send away a tyrant and once to protect them from despotism, so don't blame us.
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Re: Ferguson Grand Jury - No Charges Against Wilson

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 29 Nov 2014, 01:17:00

It appears that they did not do a normal investigation of the scene like photographing and measuring and collecting evidence. Wilson's car was simply driven away. Brown was not tested for power residue from wrestling for the gun, the gun was not tested for Brown's DNA.
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