[shakespear1]

You guys are talking about Land grab. Well now TAXES seem to be making the main stream media radar screen.

Jubak's Journal
Coming soon: A tax revolt like no other
Friday, June 24, 2005

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Exp ... ak.asp?msn

[DriveElectric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'Y')ou guys are talking about Land grab. Well now TAXES seem to be making the main stream media radar screen.

[pup55]

Almost 2000 views on this thread, and no one has figured out the root issue:

Start showing up for municipal elections.

Behind every one of these deals looks like a local politician, who, for whatever their motivation, gets into bed with the developers.

The turnout for the elections for these offices is usually notoriously low, in most parts of the country. It is kept this way semi-deliberately. A lot of these elections are held at weird times, when nothing else is going on, and it goes over the heads of most of the public.

It makes it easier for special interests and/or shady dealing to get the land confiscators elected. Also, this makes it even easier to vote these jerks out if you can get enough of the rabble organized.

Then, courts or no courts, you have nothing to worry about, because these things will not get off the ground.

By the way, just for the benefit of DriveElectric, this type of thing was actually invented in the red states, but it is mainly for foreign manufacturers who want to build some massive plant somewhere ref: Michelin in SC, BMW in Alabama, Honda in NC, Toyota and others in TN, we can go down the list. These big companies get in bed with the locals, who use this sort of thing to try to outbid one another to get projects to be located in their community so that their brother Jethro who is in the cement business can sell to the contractors.

If ol' Billy Bob, whose farm is where this plant is supposed to be, does not want to sell out, too bad, because that factory needs to be built. You have not heard too much about it because Billy Bob usually is too uneducated to fight it.

How it got to be the role of supposedly conservative government to be in this sort of process is beyond me, but somehow it did. But, it does not have to be that way, if responsible local politicians are elected.

[k_semler]

We must remember 06/23/2005 as the day that the republic died. It was on this date that the right to private property ownership ended. This is the end of the republic. There is really no hope for us now. The abuse of the eminent domain statures, and the recent findings of the supreme court have dealt a death blow to the republic. Ownership of your property just has been handed from the individual to the government. We now have no completely private property. Abolishment of private property is one of the goals of communism. Welcome to the U.S.S.A.

[DriveElectric]

The state legislature of ANY state can trump this Supreme Court decision.
And it looks like they are about to do so. They know who votes for them. And it looks like the republicans are leading the way in protecting your private property rights.

Lawmakers want more protections against eminent domain

(Hartford-AP, June 24, 2005 1:48 PM) _ New London people who face the loss of their homes because of the U.S. Supreme Court might find some allies in the Connecticut legislature.

Some lawmakers and Governor Rell want to take a closer look at whether Connecticut should provide more protections to private homeowners from eminent domain.

The New London homeowners who live in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood lost a groundbreaking high court decision yesterday. The justices ruled that City Hall may take their property through eminent domain to make way for a hotel and convention center.

The Republican leader of the Connecticut House says there are ways the state could protect homeless. House Minority Leader Robert Ward plans to resurrect his bill that would prevent the taking of property as part of economic development.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=3YeXbQE3

[shakespear1]

You can't keep a good thing down

Welcome to the U.S.S.A.

[gnm]

Well that is an interesting proposition the state has there DE, But I fail to see why that would change anything in light of what the fed has already done to state legislation RE the marijuana ruling. So no I don't think the states would be able to do jack shit...

-G

[DriveElectric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'W')ell that is an interesting proposition the state has there DE, But I fail to see why that would change anything in light of what the fed has already done to state legislation RE the marijuana ruling. So no I don't think the states would be able to do jack shit...

-G

[DriveElectric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '
')<<nothing of note>>

[Daculling]

Question1:

So for all the members here who have prepared for PO with ariable land, homesteads, ect.. are you afraid that your farm will be taken and given to a corporate ag conglomerate to manage when the millions are starving? It's crossed my mind when I concider my plans.

Question2:

People are not going to stand for the situation in question1. What's the timeline for the 2nd amendment to be removed and will the government ever be successful in disarming the people?

[highlander]

The real estate bubble shows that the gov't knows most peoples only way to accumulate wealth is through property. I hope they are smart enough to know people will fight to keep that. We may well lose, but we will fight.

[shakespear1]

Another way the gov. is doing us is as described in the following article that explains it very well.

Get a load of the number's game that is played at out expense


http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/2005/0624.html

THE CORE RATE
by Jim Puplava
Storm Watch Update
June 24, 2005

The Disconnect

A caller into a Washington D.C. talk show asked a very pertinent question regarding the business of living. “Have they changed the way they measure the rate of inflation? The CPI report in May was zero percent, excluding food and energy. If you take those things out, that is what is primarily driving up everything. What would be the real inflation rate, if you add back everything they take out?" The host of the show turned to his guest, a financial reporter from The New York Times. The host of the show and the Times reporter were caught flatfooted. The Times reporter couldn’t answer the question. The host then went on to say, "The inflation rate as it is reported has been quite low over the last few years. Next caller."

[smallpoxgirl]

Interesting new development.

http://www.petitiononline.com/lp001/petition.html

[DriveElectric]

It looks like state legislatures are looking to revise their eminent domain rules so that cities cannot do what happened in the Conn case.

Florida Speaker of the House wants to change rules

[I_Like_Plants]

On the radio yesterday, on the right-wing station, they were talking about this perhaps being like the Dred Scott decision, in that once a counter-case comes up they can re-judge it and thus reverse the decision.

[k_semler]

Source: PrisonPlanet



Shocking New Developments In Supreme Court vs. Homeowners Case
News Media Blackout On 'Revving Bulldozers,' Intimidation And Harassment Of New London Residents

Prison Planet | June 24 2005

America has been reacting with overwhelming revulsion over the past two days to the Supreme Court's decision that local governments can force property owners to sell out and make way for private economic development when officials decide it would benefit the public, even if the property is not blighted, and the new project's success is not guaranteed.

However, shocking details that cast this entire farce in its true light have flown under the radar of mainstream media reports.

Those details came to the fore today during an interview on The Alex Jones Show, nationally syndicated on the Genesis Communications Radio Network, on which Michael Cristofaro, one of the New London Connecticut homeowners fighting the unconstitutional decision, appeared as a guest.

Cristofaro's family have lived in New London for forty two years and the city had already previously seized his first home by imminent domain in 1971.

Cristofaro related a series of actions by local government officials and their hired New London Development Corporation thugs that amount to nothing less than outright intimidation, harassment and extortion.

These include;

- An insulting offer of $60,000 from the government on a home worth $215,000.

- Unannounced visits to Cristofaro's elderly parent's home demanding they sign a contract to hand over their property.

- Intimidating and harassing phone calls at all hours of the day.

- Parking bulldozers and wrecking balls outside the houses pointing at the property with threats of "your house is next."

- Revving the engines of the bulldozers outside the houses in the early morning hours of the morning.

- Cristofaro's mother becoming distraught and suffering a heart attack after being served with condemnation papers that said she no longer owned her property and had ninety days to leave.

- A death bed plea from a 93-year-old resident begging "what about my house, what about my house?" The man had been living in his home for 80 years. The contractors would park construction vehicles on his property, make his house literally shake and would, Waco-style, shine bright floodlights into his home as his blind wife cowered in fear.



- A threat to charge residents back rent if they lost the case, effectively meaning the homeowners will have to pay the city to be kicked out of their own homes. One resident, William von Winkle (pictured above), would owe the city $200,000 in back rent.

- When the Supreme Court decision was made on Thursday, the city had police cruisers and a fire truck casing the neighborhood because they feared the residents would riot. "What were they planning on doing? Hosing us down?" stated Cristofaro.

- Real Estate agents paid by the government to force residents to sign contracts to hand over their homes were on an $8,000 commission to get the signatures by any means possible.

- William von Winkle's apartment tenants were forcibly evicted and locked out from their homes in the early morning hours during winter with snow on the ground, before the city even owned the property. Von Winkle had to break back into his own apartment block to prevent his tenants from freezing to death.

Cristofaro said 75 different families, most elderly and sick, were subject to this brutal torment.

Alex Jones telephoned several of Cristofaro's neighbors in the area and they confirmed that they had also been subjected to this persecution.

Imagine if your neighbour hired a bulldozer, parked it outside your house, and started revving it up and threatening to demolish your property if you didn't sign a document and hand your home over to him. He'd go to jail but the city government can do it to elderly people and the Supreme Court backs them up every inch of the way.

The Supreme Court also ruled twice in the past that blacks weren't human beings, are we supposed to just blindly follow their every dictate or should we stand up and fight these robber barons?

Cristofaro compared the situation to living in the Soviet Union. "Welcome to Russia," he stated, "that's what it feels like, you have no rights, the US Supreme Court just took away our property rights."

Alex Jones drew the analogy of Mafia tactics in assessing how the city government had treated the New London residents.

"These corporations come in and pay off city council members and then they come and steal your land and don't even pay you what it's worth."

"You take my cousin Luigi, you put him on as a store manager, you pay him $30,000 a year or we're gonna burn your business down."

"It's extortion ladies and gentlemen, it's racketeering."

Jones compared the activities to the Godfather movie, where the individual is given an 'offer he can't refuse' and told "sign the contract or your brains are going to be on it."

Cristofaro described the bulldozers aggressively revving their engines in front of the houses.

"Can you imagine seeing these big bulldozers pointing at your house revving their engines and you see a little smoke stack up on top of the little lid opening and closing with all that black smoke billowing. And all they'd do is rev it for about five or ten minutes, turn it off, turn it back on then they'd raise the front of the bulldozer."

The New London residents plan to fight the government to the bitter end and are currently pursuing numerous different legal options.

Support these brave residents in their stance against the New London city Mafia government and the New London Development Corporation. E mail this news article to all the radio hosts, World Net Daily, the Drudge Report, all the TV news stations, your Congressmen and Senators. The mainstream media ignored the very worst aspects of the case, the Soviet style harassment and intimidation of the New London homeowners. Demand that they bring these details to their reader's attention.

[Jenab]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', 'W')hen the time comes, this law will be used by govts everywhere to take your land & buildings for WHATEVER use they deem necessary. Have a farm ? The govt takes it from you to feed others. Have alternative energy to power your house ? Gone. Piss off some 2-bit local scumbag politician ? No house. The second thing that is going to come out of this is more shootings of govt officials just like the dozens of killings in the last few years. Taking someone's house, garden or small farm now might mean a disruption in your life, taking it in the future when you are unemployed and living on the edge might mean taking your life itself.

[Daculling]

Other Locals tooling up....

Freeport moves to seize 3 properties

[Daculling]

Looks like someone wants to take Souter's land and put a hotel on it. Ha Ha.

Judge may lose land

[DriveElectric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'L')ooks like someone wants to take Souter's land and put a hotel on it. Ha Ha.

Judge may lose land